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Author: bloomer
Posted: March 13, 2010 (05:09 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Funny, I didn't realise anyone made a game of the film, let alone for the Colecovision! Looks and sounds a little bit like Short Circuit for the Apple II.
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Author: zigfried
Posted: March 13, 2010 (07:58 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
When I saw 2010 in theatres at the tender age of 8, I considered it quite wretched, and I've remembered it ever since as one of my worst film experiences. I must admit my motive for requesting this review was pure morbid curiosity. As soon as I saw the screenshots, I knew this was nothing like what I had expected. It sounds like the developers realized they were stuck with an un-gameable license and came up with something else. Although simple by any reasonable comparison, this looks more sophisticated than most games I recall playing on the 2600 way back in the day. Then again, Qix was too sophisticated for the 2600, too.
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Author: Suskie
Posted: March 13, 2010 (11:25 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
2010 is probably my favorite book and it always bugged me that they took all of the coolest parts out of the movie. I'd accept the excuse of the story being too outlandish if I hadn't seen what they'd already done to 2001's ending.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: March 13, 2010 (11:30 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
This is ironic, because I think it was Bloomer who once yelled at me for starting a feedback thread that didn't actually give feedback.
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Author: zigfried
Posted: March 13, 2010 (11:41 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
It's not ironic, because Bloomer read the review before posting. That's what he yelled at you about -- making a thread without reading the review.
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Author: Suskie
Posted: March 13, 2010 (11:52 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
It would be ironic if Bloomer had started this thread merely as an excuse to tell LSB how wrong his opinion is. But he didn't, so it's not.
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Author: LowerStreetBlues
Posted: March 13, 2010 (03:55 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Preferring more conventional sentence structure and idea flow -- your central point, I think Zipp -- is just fine and good general advice. I'll counter your suggested rewording, however, to give you an idea why I didn't do it like that:
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Author: bloomer
Posted: March 13, 2010 (06:52 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Reading the review was how I learned about the game's existence on Colecovision, that it was tied to the film (I never guessed that from the title) and how I assessed, based on how LSB described it and the screenshots he supplied, that it looked and sounded like Short Circuit. Thus what I said was all in response to reading this review, and evinced it. I don't wanna start sounding paranoid about this but seriously, this is what that other argument was about. All I ask of the first post is to show evidence of reading the review and responding to it. The furthest path from this one is to not read the review and also post one's own argument which runs counter to the argument contained in the unread review. That's why I got so het up.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: March 13, 2010 (07:28 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
The point, as I said, wasn't to give you THE DEFINITIVE VERSION of how a rewrite should look, but maybe I wasn't clear enough. So I'll go into more detail. Here's your original:
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Author: zigfried
Posted: March 13, 2010 (07:46 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
The name of the game is "2010: The Graphic Action Game", so if the game lacks action, and if the action included is not particularly graphic, then that's an interesting point to make. He's not assuming we care about violence. He's assuming we noticed the title of the game and formed some preconceptions based on said title. It's about as far from graphic (in the action/violence sense) as possible, but it's marketed as a "Graphic Action Game".
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Author: LowerStreetBlues
Posted: March 13, 2010 (07:54 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I tried to be polite in defending myself and show how carefully thought I am. It should immediately say something that I can read a simple restructuring and see exactly how it contorts and misrepresents deliberate language. The truth is you can take anything and nitpick it to hell (I demonstrated). It's not the most sultry graph I ever wrote but it wasn't an attempt either (then you take offense when I nitpick your non-definitive attempt (making another reference to irony in this topic!)).
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: March 13, 2010 (10:08 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Well, the graphic thing I'm slapping myself in the face about. Somehow it just missed me. I really can't explain it. I think it has something to do with reading online, sometimes things that should be obvious just get lost. My bad on that one.
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Author: LowerStreetBlues
Posted: March 14, 2010 (08:03 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Please stop. We disagree, as stated. I'd argue more important parts of a review include detailing the game accurately, having a clearly expressed opinion and showing why that opinion is held to the reader. A few lines in a supposedly wonky introduction -- that Zigfried grasped exactly, by the way -- will at worst have an interested audience skimming ahead.
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Author: aschultz
Posted: March 14, 2010 (10:36 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Man...this thread kind of gave me a headache.
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Author: Felix_Arabia
Posted: March 14, 2010 (11:07 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
This topic goes to show that not all feedback is worthwhile. The writer -- and the reader -- must know this. It's simply a matter of separating the wheat from the chaff, as the saying goes.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: March 14, 2010 (11:50 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Oh, well, I wasn't aware you felt so strongly about my feedback. I guess I'll just go away, then.
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Author: randxian
Posted: March 14, 2010 (12:45 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Wow. How in the world do you come up with enough material from that movie to make a video game?
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: March 14, 2010 (01:08 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I don't know if that's what happened, but if it wasn't clear before everyone should know that I don't just take the time to critique random reviews. I critique reviews that I think have merit and writers that I think have real potential to improve. I think I also said early on in this thread that I thought this was a good review that needed tightening.
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Author: randxian
Posted: March 14, 2010 (02:37 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I think I also said early on in this thread that I thought this was a good review that needed tightening
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: March 14, 2010 (11:32 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Well, like I said, I'm done talking about this. It isn't fair at this point, because now there's been more posts about what I've said about LSB's review than about his review itself. That kinda sucks and wasn't my intention. Sorry, LSB.
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