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A lovely review, one that really makes me wish I owned a PS3.

The indies are taking over. Two 9/10s for tiny developers within a week...

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It is an indie revolution, yes.

Note to gamers: when someone shoots you in the face, they aren't "gay." They are "psychopathic."

I liked this review for the most part, but this line struck me as particularly out of place:

Flower is a game in the same way that pushing your little sister down the stairs is a game: it’s definitely fun to the point that you’ll keep coming back, but really it’s more of an experience.

I mean, are you trying to be funny or serious, and either way, what's the point? If you're trying to convey the celestial, ethereal qualities this game possesses, that line kind of throws it off. Otherwise, good work.

You exist because we allow it. And you will end because we demand it.

It's definitely an off-line. I knew it a couple days later. I don't think it's particularly bad, and I actually think it's pretty funny, but it doesn't meld with the solemnity and grace of the rest of the review.

Note to gamers: when someone shoots you in the face, they aren't "gay." They are "psychopathic."

Jesus Christ, two posts and not one "thanks".

I don't have to prove I'm refined - that's what makes me refined!

Thanks, Masters.

Note to gamers: when someone shoots you in the face, they aren't "gay." They are "psychopathic."

Another failed attempt at humour, no doubt. I was obviously referring to the two posters above who took the time to read your review and offer positive feedback on it.

This is precisely the sort of unappreciative contributor attitude that we spoke of in our 'RotW relevancy' topics.

But well done -- you whined in another topic about wanting feedback where you could get it, and yet with your 'joke' here you spent more effort than you might have to actually thank those you read your work.

I don't have to prove I'm refined - that's what makes me refined!

I don't think it's particularly bad, and I actually think it's pretty funny, but it doesn't meld with the solemnity and grace of the rest of the review.

Yeah, that's exactly what I thought: This definitely sounds like a man who thinks he is funny.

You exist because we allow it. And you will end because we demand it.

When I leave feedback, I'm not necessarily looking for an explicit "Thank you," or even a response at all, but in general I do like to engage in a discussion with the writer. I tend to see through "Thank you" and pay more attention to any comments my feedback prompts. When people leave feedback for my stuff, I don't always remember to thank them explicitly, but I do respond a lot of the time. Unless I'm responding with snark or getting all defensive, I think that "Thank you" is implied.

"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." - John F. Kennedy on reality

"What if everything you see is more than what you see--the person next to you is a warrior and the space that appears empty is a secret door to another world? What if something appears that shouldn't? You either dismiss it, or you accept that there is much more to the world than you think. Perhaps it really is a doorway, and if you choose to go inside, you'll find many unexpected things." - Shigeru Miyamoto on secret doors to another world2

"... I think that "Thank you" is implied."

This is nonsense. It's a sad day when, in a feedback-starved forum such as this, that we must accept 'implications' of appreciation when it's so easy to show it explicitly.

I don't have to prove I'm refined - that's what makes me refined!

I didn't care for this review, mostly because some of the lines felt out of place given the message you were trying to convey, Zipp, about this game being all . . . magical, for lack of a better word.

I don't have to boost my review resume because I have a real resume.

@ Felix: I definitely see where that is true, and it's too bad, because it does affect an otherwise strong review. Any lines in particular? I think I know a few of them.

@ Masters: I would hope that by engaging with the people who have taken time to comment on my review, I was implying thanks, yes. Also, the numerous times I have thanked HG in general for being such a great site should leave no doubt that I am grateful to everyone's comments.

That said, I do agree that thank you's are often overlooked these days. I didn't like the way you simply assumed I wasn't grateful, though. It was rather blunt of you without any need for bluntness. It put me off a bit, thus my rather snarky return.

In any case, in all seriousness, I thank everyone (including Masters) who has taken the time out of their lives to comment on my review and to offer me advice both on my writing and on my social interactions.

Note to gamers: when someone shoots you in the face, they aren't "gay." They are "psychopathic."

Mostly it was just that line that Suskie mentioned about the pushing sisters down stairs and also the beginning where you allude to your cat puking on your bed. I read that line and was thinking, "so?"

I don't have to boost my review resume because I have a real resume.

I tend to be blunt. I was just concerned that when people say "GREAT WORK!" and that's not acknowledged in the response, it comes off as a presumptious "I know". Which makes you (one -- not necessarily YOU) look like a pompous prick. I appreciate the clarification; good on you.

I don't have to prove I'm refined - that's what makes me refined!

Well, it's good advice, anyway, which I'll take to heart and use.

Note to gamers: when someone shoots you in the face, they aren't "gay." They are "psychopathic."

"In any case, in all seriousness, I thank everyone (including Masters) who has taken the time out of their lives to comment on my review and to offer me advice both on my writing and on my social interactions."

Fabulous pwnage.

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ZIPP!

It has been brought to my attention by a wonderful human at N4G that you are WRONG!

In fact, the following is true:

"WTF? LOL this game is G@Y!"

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"I can only hope Flower is a gateway drug to more of this kind of wonderful."

Great line. Of course, if it was in norwegian and you turned an adjective into a noun, I would hate the review on principle.

..another thing.. about pushing your sister down the stairs being an experience.. that's actually how the game is. Exciting and upsetting, but somehow soothing and rewarding as well. Almost.. what's the word.. meditative. I think, if I understood that from just the review, it wouldn't be problematic in any.. most ways.

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