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zippdementia I'm best known for my extensive work in the fields of this and that. I tend to be better at that, though I have more fun with this.

I'm an odd jobber with an even personality who isn't afraid to roll with the punches but prefers to dodge them when able.

Title: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: November 12, 2010 (09:17 PM)
Just read this article here. Thoughts?

I'm a little confused by Caine saying "I was the creator of the dream." Of course, I only saw the movie once.
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SuskieUser: Suskie
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: November 12, 2010 (09:31 PM)
This isn't the first time Caine has offered his take on the movie's ending and I'm pretty sure he's joking. At one point he said something like, "If I'm in the scene, it's real. If I'm not in the scene, it's not real."

I think it's still safe to say that Cobb is dreaming at the end of the movie, since his kids are wearing the same clothes as in the flashbacks.
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zippdementiaUser: zippdementia
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: November 12, 2010 (09:33 PM)
From a filmmaker's perspective, it is certainly shot like the dreams. He uses the same lighting and motion techniques as in the flashback dreams.
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blood-omenUser: blood-omen
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: November 13, 2010 (05:03 AM)
conclusion/thoughts: Thank you for wasting 2 hours 30 minutes of your life on a movie you arent likely to understand any time soon.....
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Felix_ArabiaUser: Felix_Arabia
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: November 13, 2010 (05:53 AM)
^Yeah, thinking is for losers.
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BenUser: Ben
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: November 13, 2010 (06:04 AM)
I'm of the belief that Cobb wasn't dreaming at the end. To me, it looked like the spinning top was about to drop until the scene cut to black (if I recall correctly). Plus, admittedly, I'd like to see a happy ending in this movie.
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bloomerUser: bloomer
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: November 13, 2010 (06:57 AM)
One of the best things about this film with many exceptional qualities is that many interpretations of the ending can be sustained without damaging the film or making any part of it collapse.

You can make a good case he's dreaming, make a good case he's not, make a good case the point is that you can't actually tell and that that is the point, etc.
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zippdementiaUser: zippdementia
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: November 13, 2010 (11:37 AM)
I can't agree with you, Blood Omen. I feel like I've wasted my life when I see a film that is confusing because it's poorly made or badly written. But Inception, aside from some questionable casting (you know who I mean) was a very polished film that is only confusing because it has so much depth. It requires you to actively consider what you are seeing rather than being content with just being entertained. That's art. That's worth my time.

I do think the film shot itself in the foot in one way. It includes its craziest dream sequences at the beginning of the film (the Japanese pagoda; the street that twists in on itself) so that by the time you get to what are supposed to be the crazier levels of dream, things become less interesting.

I continually notice people getting bored during the snow scene and I believe this is at the heart of that. You've already shown them what was behind door #3... now they are bored with Door #1 and 2.
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SuskieUser: Suskie
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: November 13, 2010 (12:06 PM)
aside from some questionable casting (you know who I mean)

I'm running through the cast list in my mind and I have no idea who you're talking about. I thought everyone nailed their roles.

Anyway, I want to draw everyone's attention to this article at Cinematical, which explores six possible interpretations of the movie's ending (as well as five possible plot holes). I believe Cobb was dreaming at the end, but I disagree with Ben's assertion that this isn't a happy ending. I think the point of the ending is that it doesn't really matter whether Cobb is awake or not, because either way, he's home.

As for what Zipp said, I can definitely imagine some people being let down by the film's general lack of weirdness, but I actually felt the opposite way. The trailers offered a lot of bizarre imagery, and I was impressed that Nolan wasn't focused on making a spectacle out of Inception, and that all of the film's special effects sequences (particularly anything involving Joseph Gordon-Levitt) had plot-centric reasons for existing. The shifting-gravity fight scene, for example, looks fantastic, and there's actually a very clever explanation behind it (i.e. Arthur's unconscious body was in a flipping van).
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blood-omenUser: blood-omen
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: November 13, 2010 (12:54 PM)
nopes....i dont know who u mean by questionable casting
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zippdementiaUser: zippdementia
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: November 13, 2010 (03:39 PM)
Well, I'm NOT talking about Leonardo DiCaprio, I'll tell you that much.
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WilltheGreatUser: WilltheGreat
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: November 13, 2010 (04:16 PM)
On the topic of Cobb and the spinning top...

Is there ever a shot in the entire movie where we actually see the top stop spinning?
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SuskieUser: Suskie
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: November 13, 2010 (06:07 PM)
At least twice, yes: in the hotel after the train scene at the beginning of the movie, and after Cobb wakes up from having trained Ariadne (while Arthur is explaining to her the concept of a totem).
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zippdementiaUser: zippdementia
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: November 13, 2010 (08:27 PM)
The instance Will mentions is interesting though, because he never spins the top again after that... it's right after waking from a VERY deep sleep and we never see the top stop spinning in that scene.
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BenUser: Ben
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: November 13, 2010 (08:44 PM)
aside from some questionable casting (you know who I mean)

I didn't see much of a weak link in the cast. Standouts for me were Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Tom Hardy, and Ken Watanabe, so I hope you weren't referring to any of them!

Also, on the topic of the lack of weirdness in the dreams, I don't know what your dreams are like, but mine are usually grounded in reality.
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SuskieUser: Suskie
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: November 13, 2010 (08:55 PM)
You know, Zipp, you could just come out and tell us who you were talking about.

Also, if you check my link, you'll see that one of the theories is that Saito is the engineer of the dream, and that Cobb never wakes up following Yusuf's sedation.
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zippdementiaUser: zippdementia
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: November 13, 2010 (11:35 PM)
Nah, I don't want this to turn into a discussion about acting. It was stupid of me to bring it up.

I'm reading the article now...
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zippdementiaUser: zippdementia
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: November 13, 2010 (11:36 PM)
Oh, by the by... my dreams are bat shit crazy.
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zippdementiaUser: zippdementia
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: November 13, 2010 (11:48 PM)
Okay read it.

One big thing: he doesn't mention Cobb's ring, which I think is the "totem" he was looking for in his first theory. I'd have to see the movie again, but as mentioned in some of the comments following the article, Cobb's ring is in some scenes and not others. I lost track of it before the movie ended, myself, and never saw whether it was in the final scene or not.
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SuskieUser: Suskie
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: November 14, 2010 (12:44 PM)
I've actually never heard about the ring. I'll have to watch for that the next time I see the movie.
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zigfriedUser: zigfried
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: December 11, 2010 (08:44 PM)
Finally saw the film. It was pretty good. The spinning top is a red herring.

//Zig
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bloomerUser: bloomer
Title: Re: Inception ending: truth revealed (SPOILERS)
Posted: December 11, 2010 (10:36 PM)
The truth about the end is actually that Cobb's sled's name was Rosebud.
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