Hey, let's all talk about the new site stuff here...
October 23, 2010

... because I don't want to take away any more from A-man's kick ass article. I'm happy to host it on my blog/forum-equivalent because I inadvertently started this whole thing.

I don't really have much more to say, myself. I'm definitely going to respect the wishes of the HG staff and not publicly suggest that people post things on our sister site. I do want it to be clear that I'm not, as Leroux seems to think, aggressively recruiting for Gameroni. My suggestion to Aschultz was done in all innocence with big blue wide eyes as designed by Walt Disney himself.

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zippdementia zippdementia - October 23, 2010 (12:54 AM)
Question: am I not allowed to post links to Gameroni reviews here, if I think it's actually something worth reading? For instance, in a recent fallout thread I posted a link to the Gameroni review of said game (a) because there isn't one here yet and (b) because I thought it perfectly summarized what we were talking about on the thread. Is that going to be looked down upon in the future?
EmP EmP - October 23, 2010 (04:43 AM)
If you want to plug your off site stuff, then that is what your blog is for. Be sure to uncheck the box so it stays there and doesn't bleed onto the forums.

Pimping out Gameroni otherwise is something both pointless and annoying. Anyone on HG who cares about the site is already there and everyone else don't appreaciate the ham-fisted attempts to treat HG as any more of a feeder site. All three of the remaining worthwhie staff have already made this pretty clear; I don't see what's left to discuss.

If there is anything else that's somehow unclear, then doing it here is better then continuing to derail Schultz's topic. Get your questions out of the way now, because the topic is already starting to grate.
Leroux Leroux - October 23, 2010 (07:45 AM)
As far as linking articles of interest worth reading, anything from Gameroni is going to be met with groans here because we all know about the site at this point and we all either check it out or don't care already. You're not exposing the work to any sort of new audience, at all, so what's the point? Start the discussion over there and be weary that blood_omen linking to a GameSpot article to provoke discussion is different from using a Gameroni article to do that, if only because the very existence of your site has directly affected this site in no positive way, everyone here is already well aware of Gameroni (thanks for making it a topic again) and we've lost key contributors to it. We wish nothing but luck on your venture, but don't be ignorant to those circumstances.
zigfried zigfried - October 23, 2010 (08:42 AM)
Zipp, your question has been succinctly and clearly answered above, so I'm going to use my obligatory post to make a point from a different direction.

HonestGamers and Gameroni as sites have different focuses. HG is a community hub -- forums and user submissions are critical to HG's continued vitality. Gameroni is different: content rolls rapidly enough that forums aren't critical, and user submissions aren't even accepted. The two places have different audiences for that reason, and will always have different audiences.

I don't think either site gains anything through cross-posting articles. Even when covering the same topic, the approach or content should be different.

If a company sends a free game to HG for staff review, they do NOT want to see that review posted at other places. Likewise, blog-tracking sites watch unique content, so it's BAD for Gameroni if content can be found somewhere else. Because of that desire for original content, cross-posting Schultz's article could establish a harmful precedent for Gameroni -- unless it's deleted from here. And that would just be wrong.

Those kinds of things explain why the sites are so different. Personally, I think everyone should be checking out both HG and Gameroni. Just look at Venter -- he submitted a great review for Vanquish at HG this week, and he's written some great articles at Gameroni (even though I'm not a Nintendo fan, his "growing up Nintendo" articles are awesome).

The best outcome is that both sites do well, and that will only happen by continuing to expand their audiences. If you want to help make that happen, you need to advertise HG and Gameroni elsewhere -- not to each other.

//Zig
Genj Genj - October 23, 2010 (09:36 AM)
I typed up a response, but you'll need to check my Facebook to read it.
wolfqueen001 wolfqueen001 - October 23, 2010 (10:02 AM)
What EmP and Leroux said.
zippdementia zippdementia - October 23, 2010 (10:34 AM)
Well, good. I'm glad I made this topic so that this could be discussed without further impinging on someone else's topic.
honestgamer honestgamer - October 23, 2010 (12:13 PM)
Zigfried's thoughts on the matter match my own, point by point. I would like to take a moment to reiterate, though, that I want nothing more than to see both sites thrive.

Gameroni has been making tremendous progress these past few weeks and I'm excited about that. HonestGamers, though, needs to remain relevant and exciting... and I believe that it's doing precisely that.

There's some exciting new content here at HG, such as the Sunday Cabaret, that I'm extremely pleased to see each week. There are some efforts to revitalize the reviewer community--a core part of the HonestGamers identity since its inception--that are thrilling and represent the sort of push that HG has needed for awhile. In some respects (important ones), HG is healthier since the launch of Gameroni than it was before it.

As Zigfried noted, the two sites serve very different purposes. I hope that any negative impact Gameroni might have had on HG is concluded, that any time the two worlds meet in the future--and occasionally, they will meet--it is a positive meeting that leaves both sites in better shape. This is an important place in time for both sites, with both seeing potential for growth and continued improvement. I'm hopeful that both sites will establish separate, valuable identities in the months to come and that everyone will have separate reasons to visit both sites regularly.

You all know how to reach me if there's something I am doing that is harming that objective. In the meantime, let's just try to enjoy the content that we're seeing here at HonestGamers (and at Gameroni too, if you're one who visits that site) and remember that even if we have different names on our uniforms and are playing in different venues, we're really all on the same team.
True True - October 23, 2010 (02:10 PM)
HG is healthier since the launch of Gameroni than it was before it.

Yes. Now we're all united in hate and vengeance.

:D
hmd hmd - October 23, 2010 (02:35 PM)
Don't you jerks realize that you're not only fracturing our community, you're fracturing my heart!?

zippdementia zippdementia - October 23, 2010 (02:44 PM)
Yet another day to be proud of on my blogs.
jerec jerec - October 23, 2010 (02:56 PM)
I can see this place in time for what it really is. The HGers are still living on the surface after the fallout, but the Gameroni folk have gone underground. Centuries will pass and they will grow deformed and hideous, and will start farming us. But we'll all be too stupid to see it. =/
True True - October 23, 2010 (03:02 PM)
Um...

Isn't that the plot for The Time Machine?
WilltheGreat WilltheGreat - October 23, 2010 (03:26 PM)
Well it's either that or Gameroni will emerge from its fortified vaults in search of replacement water chips, and end up having to save the world from EmP's army of supermutants.
zippdementia zippdementia - October 23, 2010 (05:01 PM)
... which is far more likely, really, from what I know of EmP.
jerec jerec - October 23, 2010 (05:02 PM)
Join the EmPire.
True True - October 23, 2010 (05:08 PM)
Support the Trueps.
zippdementia zippdementia - October 23, 2010 (05:13 PM)
Blow up Zipperton.
WilltheGreat WilltheGreat - October 23, 2010 (05:32 PM)
Where there's a Will, there's a way.
jerec jerec - October 23, 2010 (06:06 PM)
Pull over and ask for Jerections.
wolfqueen001 wolfqueen001 - October 23, 2010 (06:08 PM)
XXXD This is getting ridiculous.
True True - October 23, 2010 (06:12 PM)
Actually, it's kind of fun but if anyone says Venteristic I'm challenging them to a fucking death match.
pickhut pickhut - October 23, 2010 (06:24 PM)
Anyone want to Pick my nose?

:D

:D





:0
zigfried zigfried - October 23, 2010 (06:41 PM)
Sorry True, but all of these bad puns are incredibly Venteristic.

//Zig
True True - October 23, 2010 (06:44 PM)
...

Fuck.

Okay, someone else who I can beat. If they say Venteristic I'm challenging them to a death match.
Suskie Suskie - October 23, 2010 (06:59 PM)
Venteristic.
True True - October 23, 2010 (07:09 PM)
Okay, Suskie. You're on. It's Death Match time.
Suskie Suskie - October 23, 2010 (07:11 PM)
I wanted to see if you'd be afraid to challenge me too. Guess not.
WilltheGreat WilltheGreat - October 23, 2010 (07:22 PM)
If it's any consolation, Suskie, I'm afraid of you.
Suskie Suskie - October 23, 2010 (07:47 PM)
Well that's too bad for you because I'M CHALLENGING YOU TO A DEATH MATCH no.
True True - October 23, 2010 (07:55 PM)
Well I couldn't back down twice. I'd look like a coward.
zippdementia zippdementia - October 23, 2010 (08:56 PM)
So what's it going to be? Keyboards at twenty paces? Or is this the beginning of a review-off? I think it should be. I think it should be a duel. And I shall be the judge along with... Wolfqueen.
WilltheGreat WilltheGreat - October 23, 2010 (09:51 PM)
Wait wait, I'm unclear on who exactly is being challenged here. >_>
JoeTheDestroyer JoeTheDestroyer - October 23, 2010 (10:27 PM)
Human sacrifices, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
True True - October 23, 2010 (10:32 PM)
Don't cross the streams, Joe. It would be extraordinarily bad.
overdrive overdrive - October 23, 2010 (11:34 PM)
Cool, we have death matches a'going on again.

I say that you both review these three games and the loser buys me a new system of my choice.

1. Athena

2. Hydlide

3. Deadly Towers
Suskie Suskie - October 24, 2010 (12:08 AM)
How about I review whatever the hell I want and then nothing happens.
True True - October 24, 2010 (12:25 AM)
How about you review whatever the hell you want...and then lay it all on the line?*


* - Sorry for raping your topic here, Zipp, but you're a cool guy and I know it won't bother you.
JoeTheDestroyer JoeTheDestroyer - October 24, 2010 (12:36 AM)
Athena, Hydlide, and Deadly Towers... That's like being stabbed, then being shot, then being forced to watch an Andy Milligan movie.
zippdementia zippdementia - October 24, 2010 (01:32 AM)
Honestly, True, this is a far better outcome than I had hoped for with this topic.
aschultz aschultz - October 24, 2010 (08:06 AM)
Is it too late to jump on the joke? Cuz I know a certain word I'm putting in my "Darkness" contest entry.

Nah, I wouldn't be such an ASchultz-hole.
- - - October 24, 2010 (08:16 AM)
..Ben there, done that.
honestgamer honestgamer - October 24, 2010 (09:32 AM)
That should Schultz you all up now, whether you still want to Venter not.
wolfqueen001 wolfqueen001 - October 24, 2010 (09:41 AM)
XXXXD Nice! That one's quotable!
zippdementia zippdementia - October 24, 2010 (11:29 AM)
This is very entertaining. I'm just gonna keep sitting 'ere, Zipping ma whiskey. I'm taking no part. Just an observer.
WilltheGreat WilltheGreat - October 24, 2010 (01:09 PM)
Will you guys knock it off already?
aschultz aschultz - October 24, 2010 (04:59 PM)
This topic's been a real bloomer. Willthegreat Masters take us all to the Woodhouse with one final pun? A Radicaldreamer can only hope!
JoeTheDestroyer JoeTheDestroyer - October 24, 2010 (06:15 PM)
I would Joe-in in on this foray, but I feel I might be asking for PUNishment.
True True - October 24, 2010 (11:46 PM)
Will you guys knock it off already?

Um...how about...NEVER!!
WilltheGreat WilltheGreat - October 24, 2010 (11:54 PM)
Your response wasn't a name-pun, True.
zippdementia zippdementia - October 25, 2010 (12:03 AM)
Yeah, it should've been something like... Zipp it, Will ya?
True True - October 25, 2010 (12:08 AM)
I guess you have a point, but could you guys show me a little EMPathy?
zippdementia zippdementia - October 25, 2010 (12:51 AM)
Ha. Sympathy at Honest Gamers? When Zigs fly.
espiga espiga - October 25, 2010 (08:25 AM)
What Zipp says is very True.
fleinn fleinn - October 25, 2010 (04:24 PM)
Mm. Sympathy: nada, Zipp, zilch.

Maybe if you espe-gially ask for it, though?
zippdementia zippdementia - October 25, 2010 (04:54 PM)
By the way, True, got your package today. Thanks a lot! I hope to be getting another one soon after November 11th...
aschultz aschultz - October 25, 2010 (05:12 PM)
Ouch. That last double pun might've sent a few people fleinn' this topic.

PS Zipp, if you ever had bad luck after breaking a chain letter, boy oh boy, it's going to be worse for not throwing in a pun here.
espiga espiga - October 25, 2010 (05:44 PM)
Zigfried the slaves while wearing a top hat and now everyone calls him Abe Lincoln. =[
JoeTheDestroyer JoeTheDestroyer - October 25, 2010 (05:52 PM)
This Sho is a crazy topic...
TheGrue TheGrue - October 25, 2010 (06:13 PM)
It sure Grue quickly.
True True - October 25, 2010 (07:03 PM)
By the way, True, got your package today. Thanks a lot! I hope to be getting another one soon after November 11th...

Did you ever read Name of the Wind, by the way?


Welcome. I hope you like it as much as I did.

And no, I've never even heard of it.
zippdementia zippdementia - October 25, 2010 (09:45 PM)
This pleases me, for it gives me the opportunity to introduce you to it, now that i have your address.

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