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Author: bloomer
Posted: January 22, 2009 (02:58 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Disagree aggressively with everything - except the dialogue point. Which I don't care about. I'd elaborate but RSI arm rationing prevents me from typing the necessary essay here. Maybe in the future.
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Author: Lewis
Posted: January 22, 2009 (04:54 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Very obviously a contentious one. I vehemently despise this game (and, frankly, the whole series), and decided to throw objectivity out of the window. It's 'Honest' Gamers, after all.
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Author: Lewis
Posted: January 22, 2009 (07:19 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
"except the dialogue point. Which I don't care about."
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Author: honestgamer
Posted: January 22, 2009 (09:12 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Resident Evil on the GameCube is the best title in the series pre-RE4. The graphics are well done and maintain the spirit of the original games while upgrading things for the era in which the remake was released, the control scheme that had been such an issue for the series up to that point is less irritating than normal (though still awkward, yes) and the campiness in the narrative--an intentional element that adds a lot to the games--is at its finest.
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Author: wolfqueen001
Posted: January 22, 2009 (09:52 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Well, I read the reiew (naturally, as it's his tourney entry, though I likely would have regardless), and I thought he backed up his points quite well. So even if he's the only one on this site (theoretically) who doesn't like the game, he shouldn't be knocked for it just because he seems too "subjective", at least not when he does a good job backing up his claims.
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Author: Lewis
Posted: January 22, 2009 (10:28 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
The thing with trying to write completely objectively is that no-one will have the same experience as you describe. We (I mean games players, not critics) don't go into the medium thinking objectively about the good and bad points of the game. We go into it thinking about whether we're enjoying it or not.
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Author: WilltheGreat
Posted: January 22, 2009 (02:23 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Honestly I don't see what the problem is here. Lewis doesn't like this game. He wrote a review about it to explain why. Should we not write reviews about games we didn't like.
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Author: Felix_Arabia
Posted: January 22, 2009 (02:40 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I thought Code Veronica was the best pre-RE4 game in the series???
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Author: JANUS2
Posted: January 22, 2009 (03:37 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
You could invert the "objectivity" argument and say that my blind love of Ninja Gaiden and refusal to acknowledge its camera as an issue makes a strictly objective review of it impossible. Does that mean I shouldn't bother reviewing it?
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Author: zigfried
Posted: January 22, 2009 (04:57 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I agree with the first couple paragraphs of Lewis's essay on subjectivity.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: January 22, 2009 (05:10 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I think what you're missing here Lewis is that everything you've said you disliked about the game (and you defended your points well, a tip of the hat to you, sir), is exactly what everyone LOVES about REmake. Including the voice acting.
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Author: wolfqueen001
Posted: January 22, 2009 (05:22 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
And that shouldn't be a problem. Lewis shouldn't be railed against just because "Waaaah - he bashed my favowit game!" If he should be taking any criticism, it should be for his argument and his argument alone (which I don't see a problem with), not predispositions about a game.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: January 23, 2009 (12:21 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I think you missed my point. I wasn't getting into the whole subjective thing. I was just saying, like Jason, that it seems that Lewis simply doesn't like this genre of game, the niche that the original RE's fit. Crappy controls, dismal voice acting, no plot... it's all part of that niche and people go to RE looking for that.
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Author: Suskie
Posted: January 23, 2009 (01:11 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Enough is enough. I've been trying as hard as I can to restrain myself in an effort to keep my promise and never post anything on HG again, but the ridiculousness of this thread has forced me to intervene.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: January 23, 2009 (02:43 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Well, what can I say? I've been outgunned at 3:00 in the morning. Not much left to do but lie down and wait for the collection of wallets.
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Author: Suskie
Posted: January 23, 2009 (03:03 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I brought up Eternal Darkness because it's extremely narrative-driven, which Lewis likes, and because it's a survival horror game that doesn't house the flaws that supposedly make up the foundations for the genre ("cinematic" camera angles, tank-like controls, etc.). You're free to dislike it for other reasons, Zipp, but then you're missing my point.
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Author: Lewis
Posted: January 23, 2009 (04:59 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
You know, it's funny. After I posted that thread about reviews and scores the other day, I toyed with the idea of creating a series of 'Games-journalism-journalism' threads, but then decided no one would be remotely ineterested. Then, by penning a mere 'review', I've inadvertently started one of the main discussions I wanted to raise. Brilliant.
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Author: JANUS2
Posted: January 23, 2009 (05:03 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Does HG have an "official word"?
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Author: Lewis
Posted: January 23, 2009 (05:34 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
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Author: Masters (Mod)
Posted: January 23, 2009 (05:58 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Wow, you know a topic is a big deal when it stirs the sleeping Suskie.
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Author: goldenvortex
Posted: January 23, 2009 (06:41 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
This topic is silly.
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Author: Lewis
Posted: January 23, 2009 (06:45 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Amusingly, I've just been sent a survival horror collection to review.
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Author: Lewis
Posted: January 23, 2009 (06:47 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
"This topic is silly."
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Author: overdrive (Mod)
Posted: January 23, 2009 (10:41 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
This has been an interesting discussion. I can see where the objective/subjective stuff comes in, as you did mention early in your review stuff about how traditional survival horror is rubbish, but you did back up your points well, I thought. But a line like that isn't going to help your case, as I'd guess that many people who don't feel like that about traditional survival horror games for whatever reasons would use it to detract from your points. Like, for example, I'm not a fan of fighting games. If I reviewed one, I could make the greatest case of all time as to why said game isn't good. But if I had a line saying that I don't like this kind of game or something to that effect, that will do nothing but kill my credibility within my target audience. You know, the, "He said he doesn't like this kind of game.....and what do you know, he doesn't like this particular game.....*close window*," syndrome.
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Author: dementedhut
Posted: January 23, 2009 (10:44 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Hey, guys, can I post in this topic too?
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