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Author: Suskie
Posted: October 20, 2012 (08:59 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
It sucks and anyone thinking it was a great way to end a trilogy of this magnitude is a fool.
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Author: EmP (Mod)
Posted: October 21, 2012 (06:27 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
It wasn't really an important line (nor did I think it would be taken as an insult) so I just took it out.
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Author: Suskie
Posted: October 21, 2012 (06:56 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Sorry if I seemed a little overly upset by that line. I'll always welcome intelligent discussion about ME3's ending; it's the constant nastiness that I've grown sick of. I meant it when I said I otherwise thought this was an outstanding review.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: October 21, 2012 (09:48 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I haven't played them yet of course, but I have this feeling I'm not going to be too upset by the ending. I know the big slap in the face is that it's three choices that don't take into account anything else you've done over the course of the game but, uh, so what? Deus Ex did that way back in the day and the point there was to NOT make the player feel like they'd been shoehorned into a role by the rest of the game. It's one of those situations where what you've done in the past defines the power behind your decision. Is your decision a redemptive one? Or do you not change your ways at all?
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Author: WilltheGreat
Posted: October 21, 2012 (12:40 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Having recently replayed ME3 myself, I can safely say there's more wrong with the ending than the fact that it's three choices.
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Author: Suskie
Posted: October 21, 2012 (02:10 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Yeah, the criticisms for the ending extend far beyond the three color-coded choices you're presented with. I definitely agree with some of them, but as much as some people would hate to admit it, I really think a fair number of the issues come down to taste. I like ambiguity, for example. Which isn't to say that the ending doesn't have its fair share of genuine plot holes related to apparent contradictions to established lore and player motivations, though the Extended Cut patched most of my biggest issues up in that regard. As for the Star Child... eh. Could have been handled in a less hurried manner, but I don't mind the actual direction (and that pretty much sums up my feelings on the ending as a whole).
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: October 21, 2012 (06:22 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Well, of course, I'm only spinning out guesses right now. I'll have to play them through before I can truly comment. It will be interesting having the opportunity to play them one after the other, as my first run through.
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Author: Suskie
Posted: October 21, 2012 (06:34 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I don't think you'll hate the ending, honestly.
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Author: WilltheGreat
Posted: October 21, 2012 (06:45 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
If my girlfriend's reaction is any indication, having been forewarned and with the extended cut at worst you'll just be disappointed.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: October 21, 2012 (08:30 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Time for a soliloquy!
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Author: bbbmoney
Posted: October 22, 2012 (10:00 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
@zipp: on the subject of endings, you should give FFVIII another shot. I know we talked about it earlier, but I actually went back to it and finished it the other night. Game has its problems but the ending is something you'd probably really enjoy analyzing. Anyway:
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Author: overdrive (Mod)
Posted: October 22, 2012 (01:05 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
At some point, I will play these Mass Effect games. Probably right around the time the enhanced version of 3 (with all the DLC included in one place) comes out and lowers in price a little bit, at which point, I'll grab all three and run through them back-to-back-to-back. Doing everything that isn't boring as all hell (in the event one or more games have those hideous RPG sidequests that make you do a ton of boring busywork for one reason or another).
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: October 22, 2012 (02:35 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Holdthephone, interesting you mention FFVIII. I was just playing it last night. I'm nearly done, in fact; I've passed the point that I reached the first time I played the game and stopped, years ago (which was the whole "we're in space" scene). I probably have only about 15 hours left. Maybe this week...?
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Author: honestgamer
Posted: October 22, 2012 (02:58 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
The opposite argument, Zipp, is that it would have taken off even better. I feel that the game as a whole is a lot better than its actual reception implies, that people hated a lot of what they hated about it just because it was a Final Fantasy title and they went into the experience with certain expectations for an experience different from what was actually delivered. I've felt all along that Final Fantasy VIII is not one of the milestones of the genre, but the Final Fantasy name worked against it. Perhaps it could have been the start of a whole other franchise that was later iterated upon and developed into a beloved series. I think the potential was there. So... basically I'm saying the opposite of what you are, despite us both feeling that the game could have been better. Anyway, we're off-topic a bit. We're supposed to all be discussing how amazing EmP's review was, don't you know?
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Author: Suskie
Posted: October 22, 2012 (04:19 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
If it's any help, I have no attachment whatsoever to the Final Fantasy brand and I still thought VIII was awful.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: October 23, 2012 (12:30 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Yeah, I know that's another way to look at it, but I've had to convince myself to keep playing FFVIII enough times now to think that, without that brand, I would never make it. Frankly, the only reason I'm so hell bent on beating it is because it's a Final Fantasy title, and the only one I've ever played and not beaten.
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