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Author: bbbmoney
Posted: May 23, 2012 (12:02 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I don't see how anything they add could fix an ending like that, but it's nice to know they're trying to make up for it.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: May 23, 2012 (12:40 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Wow. By responding to the fan clamor around this, it's almost like they've proven that the ending sucked. I'm torn between respect for their desire to please the fans and disrespect for them not having enough faith in their original writing to stick by it.
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Author: honestgamer
Posted: May 23, 2012 (01:08 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Increasingly, gamers demand stories that approach the level of artistry we see in other mediums, but don't believe for a second that most of those gamers will allow the artists and writers responsible to exercise actual artistic integrity. Instead, they'll organize petitions and threaten lawsuits.
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Author: bbbmoney
Posted: May 23, 2012 (01:44 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Ehh I don't like cross medium comparisons like that, and I don't think gamers are that unrealistic. Movies have their own ways of telling great tales in a 2 hour span of visuals and sound, games have their own ways, and some poems have to be written in haiku format. Saying a game's story will never rival a book's is just a weird statement.
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Author: honestgamer
Posted: May 23, 2012 (02:26 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Saying a game's story will never rival a book's is just a weird statement.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: May 23, 2012 (03:07 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I disagree with you on this, Venter. I actually think there are some stories that only work in the medium of the game. For instance, I love Chrono Trigger's story. But those characters would never work in a film or a novel: they work because you connect with them through endless battles and from watching the sprites perform their own limited forms of emotion. Sprite emotions are actually highly reminiscent of Kabuki theatre, in over-exaggerating emotion to augment a story.
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Author: bbbmoney
Posted: May 23, 2012 (03:20 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
@Jason
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Author: Suskie
Posted: May 23, 2012 (03:24 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Jason, you seem rather dismissive of the very idea of interactive fiction working. I agree that games were not built to tell stories, and I'd much rather play a game that's fun than one that's well-written. But ideally, I'd like to have both.
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Author: honestgamer
Posted: May 23, 2012 (03:26 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Zipp, the characters from Chrono Trigger wouldn't work on television, or in a movie or in a book as presented in the game. Because of the limitations of a video game and technology at the time, they were presented poorly (though like you, I do find the expressive 16-bit sprites a treat).
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: May 23, 2012 (03:30 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Wait... exact opposite of me or of Jason's argument? The internet can be confusing.
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Author: bbbmoney
Posted: May 23, 2012 (03:31 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
lol sorry we posted at nearly the same time it seems. we need quote functionality!
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: May 23, 2012 (04:29 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Zipp, the characters from Chrono Trigger wouldn't work on television, or in a movie or in a book as presented in the game.
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Author: honestgamer
Posted: May 23, 2012 (05:46 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Zipp, I had a massive post typed up, but let's keep it simple(r) to avoid TL;DR syndrome.
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Author: Suskie
Posted: May 23, 2012 (07:48 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Jason, did you read my post? Because I already tried to address the argument that you're making.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: May 23, 2012 (07:58 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I'll point out another example, since there's plenty to go around. Metal Gear Solid 3. There is a game whose story benefited greatly from interactivity. Spoilers coming, so duck.
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Author: honestgamer
Posted: May 23, 2012 (08:09 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I hadn't read your post, Suskie. It slipped through while I was typing my novels.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: May 23, 2012 (09:23 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
To address the Half-Life thing, it sounds like one of the most valid approaches a game takes--one I would encourage--which is to not tell a great story, but instead to provide the sort of framework where a great story might take place and then let the gamer fill that in with a story built around a few necessary events that take place in-game.
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