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Author: zippdementia
Posted: February 12, 2012 (09:48 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Maybe in game three we'll finally get a new final fantasy without a warhammer of a story beating you to death. Totally agree with everything you've said here and I haven't even played FFXIII-2. I agree with you on just based on SE's behavior in FFXIII-1.... I mean, for me, this could have been a review on FFXIII-1, minus all the fun exploring.
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Author: espiga
Posted: February 12, 2012 (10:14 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Nice review~
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Author: Suskie
Posted: February 12, 2012 (01:11 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I actually don't have a PSP. Though I wonder how cheap they'll be now that Vita's arriving? Type-0 does look pretty fantastic.
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Author: jerec
Posted: February 12, 2012 (01:43 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Great stuff. Still somewhat curious to play it, but now I'm thinking bargain bin prices. I can wait.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: February 12, 2012 (07:25 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Hey, quick question. The alternate ending stuff seems to send my mind images of Chrono Triggers fun endings (which actually made a weird sort of sense, based on the time travel events and when you choose to beat the game). How does it pan out in FFXIII-2? Anything interesting or just more shit?
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Author: Suskie
Posted: February 12, 2012 (08:23 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
It is actually a bit like Chrono Trigger, except most of them can only be unlocked with an item you get after completing the main game, so you'll have to actually go back and replay certain bits, which is easy to do but kinda tedious. A lot of them are dumb, but the one relating to Atlas (which you unlock by defeating with without first weakening him with the nearby device) is actually pretty cool.
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Author: zigfried
Posted: February 12, 2012 (08:40 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Here's the line that made me realize I was going to really enjoy reading this review (and I did):
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Author: threetimes
Posted: February 14, 2012 (11:43 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Great review. Pretty much decided to skip this game on the basis of the demo and a hilarious commentary on the first 10 minutes or so I saw on Youtube. Seems it was the right decision.
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Author: JoeTheDestroyer (Mod)
Posted: February 16, 2012 (04:46 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Excellent review, Mike!
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Author: overdrive (Mod)
Posted: February 16, 2012 (11:16 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Honestly, I think the problem with Square/FF is that they seem to want to overhaul the battle system/gameplay in every single game, but their storytelling has dwindled to a combination of over-the-top dramatics and the same sort of generic JRPG cliche characters they've been running in some form for ages where you have the stoic, antisocial one; the boisterous enthusiastic one; the token teen boy; etc. teaming up to fight the "evil empire".
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Author: jerec
Posted: February 16, 2012 (12:20 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Joe, I think their demise happened when they merged with Enix, but I think their problems really started with The Spirits Within. They lost a lot of money, and so they started doing sequels with short development times to create a low cost game that would sell madly.
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Author: bbbmoney
Posted: February 16, 2012 (02:19 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I've never played an FF with deeply written characters or down to earth narratives. Just sayin.
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Author: Suskie
Posted: February 16, 2012 (04:12 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Thanks for the comments, everyone. I really appreciate it.
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Author: bbbmoney
Posted: February 16, 2012 (05:48 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Isn't it a bit of an exaggeration to say they don't know what they're doing? Sure, if we go around the boards of the internet, Square Enix is by far one of the most despised developers out there. I mean, nothing they make is considered remotely playable these days. But they're pulling huge numbers, and anyone telling them to stop their current strategy of breaking into new markets would be kindly shown the door of the conference room.
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Author: JoeTheDestroyer (Mod)
Posted: February 16, 2012 (07:30 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I'm not talking from a business standpoint, merely stating an opinion. I think it's different niches or types of people who have different views on Square. Some people still like their products, and that's fine. There are some of us, though, who aren't impressed. Then there are some who buy the new FF game, play it for a week or so, stop playing it, wind up selling or trading it, and never really give their two cents on the matter.
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Author: bbbmoney
Posted: February 16, 2012 (07:59 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Good points, sorry for misunderstanding the previous argument. I never played FFs for the literary depth either, just for a colorful cast of characters and a fun story. I don't think XIII will change your mind on their current direction though, haha.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: February 16, 2012 (09:43 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I have recently gone back and played FFVI and it still works, so definitely something is different from before. But then, that was an ENTIRELY different team of game developers. That was back in the days of the dream team, which included Nobuo Uematsu as composer, Yoshitaka Amano as art director (and he is an artist before he is a character designer, which I think is important), and Yoshinori Kitase, who had a !@#$! degree in cinematic story telling (that's not a joke, he really does), and Hironobu Sakaguchi as writer.
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Author: Suskie
Posted: February 16, 2012 (10:02 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Holdthephone, I'm not questioning the Final Fantasy franchise's ability to make money. But I can tell that SE actually does have some semblance of a desire to make their fans happy in addition to taking their money, and... well, I wouldn't say they're clueless, but this is exactly what I meant when I said that Final Fantasy isn't a "series." It didn't always matter. In the SNES days, when you bought a Final Fantasy title, you knew what you were getting into and you knew it would be really good, even if it had no relation to the last game in the franchise apart from its title. Nowadays, when a game has "Final Fantasy" on the box, what does that tell you about the game? Absolutely nothing. The last FF game to be universally regarded as great came out over a decade ago, and since then we've gotten two MMOs, one with a real-time battle system, and one that abandons so many JRPG tropes that it barely fits into the genre. The FF name sells well by default, but why should it?
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Author: bbbmoney
Posted: February 16, 2012 (10:31 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I'll agree with you on the name not meaning anything anymore. Well, it basically translates to "big RPG by square, yellow birds included." And that's how I look at each one these days.
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Author: Sise-Neg
Posted: February 17, 2012 (08:59 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Great review, Suskie. I agree about the writing especially. So much of it was mind numbingly idiotic. By the way, how did you insert an image at the top of your review?
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Author: Suskie
Posted: February 17, 2012 (11:51 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
If you go into the game's profile and click "View Assets," you'll see the image, as well as the appropriate HTML. Thanks for reading, by the way!
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Author: EmP (Mod)
Posted: May 06, 2012 (04:42 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Just got around to reading this. It's now my favourite Suskie review.
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Author: Suskie
Posted: May 06, 2012 (11:12 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Thanks, EmP. Really pleases me to see so much positive feedback on this review.
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