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Author: CoarseDragon
Posted: February 14, 2011 (02:22 PM)
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Torchlight was published by Encore, Inc. (in North America) a wholly-owned subsidiary of Navarre Corporation so I would say no it is not Indie.


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Author: honestgamer
Posted: February 14, 2011 (03:46 PM)
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I'm not sure how others feel, or whether or not Torchlight should be considered indie, but in my opinion it's the development team that should be considered, not who published the game. Big publishers sometimes publish indie games, too.


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"What if everything you see is more than what you see--the person next to you is a warrior and the space that appears empty is a secret door to another world? What if something appears that shouldn't? You either dismiss it, or you accept that there is much more to the world than you think. Perhaps it really is a doorway, and if you choose to go inside, you'll find many unexpected things." - Shigeru Miyamoto on secret doors to another world2

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Author: zigfried
Posted: February 14, 2011 (07:51 PM)
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If indie-ness were based on development team size, we'd need yet another label to cover what we call "indie" today. A quick search shows that the company that made Torchlight was founded by the lead designer of Diablo 1 and 2. Emphasis on "company".

Not indie.

EDIT: By the way, if we try to define "indie", we will fail, so let's not even try. But I'm more than happy to let people know whether or not their game counts in my book. (since the other judges probably have different feelings)

//Zig


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Author: honestgamer
Posted: February 14, 2011 (09:05 PM)
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Yeah, I didn't say anything about team size, just who actually made the game. Not every team we've never heard of is indie. Torchlight's team was well known as ex-members of Blizzard, but I wasn't down with disqualifying the game on the basis of Encore being the publisher they finally found (and Encore wasn't with it at the start anyway, as I recall). By the way, though, are you saying that if a skilled developer from a famous development team starts up a team of a few people and makes a game, then it can't be indie? Because to me, that's almost like saying that anyone with experience or talent can't be indie! ;-)


"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." - John F. Kennedy on reality

"What if everything you see is more than what you see--the person next to you is a warrior and the space that appears empty is a secret door to another world? What if something appears that shouldn't? You either dismiss it, or you accept that there is much more to the world than you think. Perhaps it really is a doorway, and if you choose to go inside, you'll find many unexpected things." - Shigeru Miyamoto on secret doors to another world2

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Author: zigfried
Posted: February 14, 2011 (10:44 PM)
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Experienced people generally don't call their games indie, because they have confidence in their work and aren't trying to appeal to the indie crowd. An exception would be that one Xbox Indie game made by that semi-known dude, but he was basically begged by Microsoft to put his thing on XBLI instead of XBLA. Oh yeah, and Arika released a game on XBLI, which is totally wrong and does not count as indie even though it's on the indie service.

Judging is going to be so much fun.

//Zig


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Author: JoeTheDestroyer (Mod)
Posted: February 15, 2011 (04:20 AM)
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I think I might actually do Light's End instead. I'm finding this game needs a tad more coverage.

Interesting fact: I can't find Light's End when I search for it. I have to go to EmP's review list to access it.


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Author: CoarseDragon
Posted: February 15, 2011 (11:46 AM)
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This Light's End?

I consider Indie games to be developed and published by the same team without outside help. While companies could create Indie games that is not the norm. Big bonus points for a game that was developed and published by the same group of people. Games like Braid, Aquaria and Armadillo Run.


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Author: JoeTheDestroyer (Mod)
Posted: February 15, 2011 (06:05 PM)
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Yep, that'd be the one. I'm enjoying it so far, which is strange because almost everything about it would normally bore me stiff. It's actually enjoyable.


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Author: wolfqueen001
Posted: February 15, 2011 (06:46 PM)
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Ben: Judge instead! =D


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Author: jerec
Posted: February 16, 2011 (12:36 PM)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_indie_game_developers

Going by this list I could review something like Brutal Legend? That doesn't seem right.


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Author: zigfried
Posted: February 16, 2011 (11:22 PM)
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That's not right. Wikipedia doesn't understand what "indie" means.

//Zig


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Author: JoeTheDestroyer (Mod)
Posted: February 17, 2011 (01:07 AM)
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Going by this list I could review something like Brutal Legend?

Or apparently Ratchet and Clank and Dragon Quest VIII. Yeah, that's pretty sketchy.


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Author: WilltheGreat
Posted: February 19, 2011 (09:29 AM)
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I see there are only two judges. I wish to be a third.


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- Nero Wolfe

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Author: EmP (Mod)
Posted: February 19, 2011 (10:07 AM)
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Will is now judge #3, menaing I'm in the reviewing pool. I've also put the deadline forward a week to allow for people in schools.


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Author: zigfried
Posted: February 19, 2011 (11:05 AM)
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+2 points to anyone who reviews Deed of the York.

//Zig


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Author: JoeTheDestroyer (Mod)
Posted: February 20, 2011 (11:38 AM)
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Light's End is up.


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Author: wolfqueen001
Posted: March 03, 2011 (02:04 PM)
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I hope people haven't forgotten about this.


[Eating EmP's brain] probably isn't a good idea. I mean... He's British, which means his brain's wired for PAL and your eyes are NTSC. - Will

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Author: CoarseDragon
Posted: March 03, 2011 (03:51 PM)
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Me too. Should be fun.


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Author: turducken
Posted: March 05, 2011 (11:20 AM)
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Er, really late entry that was meant to be in like a half-month ago or better. Anyway, I'm gonna review Barkley: Shut Up and Jam Gaiden - Chapter 1 of the Hoopz Barkley Saga.


"My father, the Emperor, had many powers of the Dark Side. But without three eyes he could never achieve perfection." - Trioculus

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Author: wolfqueen001
Posted: March 11, 2011 (10:46 AM)
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Here's mine: Have fun.


[Eating EmP's brain] probably isn't a good idea. I mean... He's British, which means his brain's wired for PAL and your eyes are NTSC. - Will

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Author: jerec
Posted: March 11, 2011 (02:08 PM)
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I haven't written anything, but I don't feel guilty because I never said I would.


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Author: EmP (Mod)
Posted: March 11, 2011 (02:18 PM)
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As I'm being asked a few times..

Yes. You still have all of tomorrow as well to write.


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Author: Halon
Posted: March 11, 2011 (02:33 PM)
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I'm not going to show. I can probably crap something out tomorrow but don't want to enter for the sake of entering. I've been extremely busy for the past two weeks and completely forgot about this.


IF YOU WANT MORE BEATS FOR YOUR BUCK THERE'S NO LUCK.

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Author: JANUS2
Posted: March 12, 2011 (09:23 AM)
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I think my review of Super QuickHook qualifies for this contest. That's my entry, if sign-ups are still allowed.


"fuck yeah oblivion" - Jihad

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Author: overdrive (Mod)
Posted: March 12, 2011 (06:26 PM)
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I WRITE DA WORDSESES!!!


I'm not afraid to die because I am invincible
Viva la muerte, that's my goddamn principle

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