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Author: Nightmare
Posted: June 04, 2010 (03:47 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
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Author: wolfqueen001
Posted: June 05, 2010 (12:56 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Thanks! I'll be honest and say that I never actually played all the way through FFVII, which is why I didn't try to make any direct links to it in the review. However, I do know enough of the plot in that game to safely say, at least in my opinion, that LoD's story is different enough to separate itself out. For one thing, I'd always considered LoD to focus a lot more on grounding a lot of its events in its own history, and, as a history major in college, this kind of approach pleases me greatly. Granted, I have no doubt that FFVII also uses history to some extent, but I never considered it to have quite the reach or impact as LoD.
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Author: Nightmare
Posted: June 05, 2010 (09:25 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
To be honest, my gripes are somewhat murky as I haven't played the game since it came out. And in reading your review, I realize they may just be vague similarities. I just remember an abrupt--rather sad--shift, and it seemed like they were trying very hard to play on tragedy; much like FF VII had with the end of the second disk. But that may have just been bad timing, and FF VII casting its shadow over nearly every RPG that would follow.
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Author: wolfqueen001
Posted: June 07, 2010 (09:59 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Ah. Well, that's fair. I'm glad the review seemed to make you question your initial assertions and possibly made you want to replay it again, confirm things one way or the other if nothing else. That's really the whole point of the review in the first place, and that it seemed to have accomplished that, even for just one or two people, then I'm happy.
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Author: windex
Posted: June 07, 2010 (02:08 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Do you really mean to insinuate that those who describe LoD's plot as stereotypical are not really people, but JRPGs, as the reflection in the mirror would therefore be a void-less black disc or stodgy old cartridge, and not that of an actual human being?
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Author: CoarseDragon
Posted: June 08, 2010 (05:51 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Very good review. I believe you were correct when you surmised that this was the first game that made players pay attention to battles unlike most of that time which were "button mashers". I suppose I liked the game for the story and the fact combat was so very interesting not unlike Shadow Hearts which you already mentioned.
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Author: wolfqueen001
Posted: June 09, 2010 (02:46 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Thanks! I continue to be surprised, and pleased, that this review has appealed to just about everyone who has said anything about it so far. I'm starting to feel better about myself now.
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Author: True
Posted: June 09, 2010 (04:22 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Very good review, Lobo. I was just thinking about playing this game, and wanting to see it on PSN, but it may be a while before that happens. And though I strongly agree with the statement Dragoon was the first to incorporate that type of a Battle System, I am curious if there isn't one buried very, very deep in retro history that tried it first though not as well.
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Author: CoarseDragon
Posted: June 10, 2010 (01:25 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I may be wrong but Legend of Dragoon is the first one I remember using timed button presses to power up your attacks and skills. Other early fighting games may have had something similar but I think this is probably the first RPG that used a timing system. In the US is where I would be speaking of but there could have been games only in Japan that used some type of timing and those I would not be familar with.
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Author: sashanan
Posted: June 10, 2010 (01:31 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
It is not quite in the same style, but Super Mario RPG on the SNES did have timed button presses to upgrade your attacks and guard against enemy blows.
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Author: CoarseDragon
Posted: June 10, 2010 (01:40 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Legend of the Seven Stars? That did have something very similar.
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Author: True
Posted: June 10, 2010 (05:04 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Thank you, Sash. That's what I was thinking of.
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Author: wolfqueen001
Posted: June 10, 2010 (05:28 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Thanks, true. I honestly don't know if or when you'll see it on PSN. People have been clammering for that for ages now and still nothing. I honestly think Sony has given up on this game entirely in any form, which is quite sad.
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Author: EmP (Mod)
Posted: June 13, 2010 (09:02 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
CRITICAL FEEDBACK!
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Author: wolfqueen001
Posted: June 13, 2010 (09:10 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I’m not really sure where you’re going with the opening line and the mirror. Is this some American thing? “You think something that is wrong! Now, go look in a mirror!” What a charming custom from the colonies. Do you believe the reflection will steal your soul and this is punishment? Ho ho, you backwards primitives.
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Author: windex
Posted: June 13, 2010 (10:07 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
You are saying that a person, who looks into a mirror, is a video game.
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Author: wolfqueen001
Posted: June 13, 2010 (10:38 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I like how that's the only thing you're talking about here. I'll take that to mean you found nothing else wrong with my overall argument regarding the game and so are relying on this alone. That being said, you're taking the statement far too literally. I'm saying people who think LoD's plot is stereotypical should look at themselves in a mirror because they almost certainly enjoy other JRPGs with the same stereotypes they cite LoD has.
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Author: windex
Posted: June 13, 2010 (10:48 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I didn't bother to read the rest of the review because the first line really took me out of it.
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Author: zigfried
Posted: June 13, 2010 (11:15 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I don't really understand the mirror line, either. I've never seen that expression used to refer to beliefs, and I don't think it quite works.
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Author: wolfqueen001
Posted: June 13, 2010 (11:41 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Very well. Because both you and EmP took issue with the statement and presented clear arguments as to why it doesn't work as well as I originally thought, I've removed the metaphor completely and said something else instead. What's there may not have the impact I thought the metaphor would, but at least now I don't think there'll be any complaints about it either. Besides, the rest of the review speaks for itself. Hopefully it better represents what I was trying to convey and what you so clearly defined, though I don't know how effectively I could do that without outright changing the intro completely. Either way, thanks for the insight.
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Author: Suskie
Posted: June 13, 2010 (11:48 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I didn't bother to read the rest of the review because the first line really took me out of it.
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Author: fleinn
Posted: June 13, 2010 (01:13 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
..I think you.. maybe should keep the original line, and just change it a bit to make the point more clear.
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Author: EmP (Mod)
Posted: June 13, 2010 (02:20 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
#5 is Oguchi Onyewu. He (rarely) plays for A.C Milan and I shouldn't know more about the American football team than bloody Americans. AARRGGGHHH!
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Author: windex
Posted: June 13, 2010 (03:44 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I've read the new way your review starts, wolfqueen001. I think it's better that way. I enjoyed the rest of the review, now that I've read it.
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Author: sashanan
Posted: June 14, 2010 (09:33 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
At least the original opening got people talking. That's got to count for something. As for the point made, my position has always been that the clichés (though I prefer the neutral term tropes) are an expected component of the JRPG and to deviate too far from them alienates people - possibly the same people that complain loudly when they're played the book.
"Deep in the earth I faced a fight that I could never win. The blameless and the base destroyed, and all that might have been. -- GK" |
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