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Author: honestgamer
Posted: January 19, 2010 (12:17 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I can't say that I agree with much of what you wrote here, though the writing was engaging enough. This is one of those games where the experience is all about atmosphere, about customizing your character and not stopping to beef yourself up too much. The game is challenging and exhilerating if you play it properly, but it can lose some of its luster if you decide to ham it up.
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Author: bluberry
Posted: January 19, 2010 (12:59 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
really? I thought the second castle was, if anything, even easier. most of the bosses there die within seconds even if you're not using something like the crissaegrim.
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Author: honestgamer
Posted: January 19, 2010 (01:04 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I must be the only one who doesn't overpower myself when I go through these games. I do the same thing with RPGs. I guess I just don't have the patience to break the game. Zipp's reference to the soul sucking move surprised me, though. I didn't bother using those skills when I went through the game. After all, you're never compelled or even particularly encouraged to use them to the best of my recollection. I think I used a few fireball spells to unlock abilities or something, but I fought bosses the old-fashioned way and found the whole experience quite satisfying.
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Author: JANUS2
Posted: January 19, 2010 (01:07 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
SOTN is stupidly easy, but at the same time I kinda like the fact that Alucard becomes ridiculously overpowered. This is also why I enjoyed Shadow Complex.
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Author: joseph_valencia
Posted: January 19, 2010 (01:10 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
The only old-school Castlevania I can still play from start-to-finish is "Rondo of Blood." The other ones certainly have their appeal and place in history, but I can only endure stiff controls for so long.
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Author: overdrive (Mod)
Posted: January 19, 2010 (03:14 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
The Crissagrim is a special sword that rapid-fire shoots out blades in front of you. It's a rare drop by one of the critters in the second castle's library. I've played through the game a number of times and only obtained it once....completely without trying to. Another time, I spent a good 30-45 minutes trying to get it, but it never was dropped.
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Author: honestgamer
Posted: January 19, 2010 (04:05 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Discussion of this game raises an interesting question: can a game that is perfectly capable of providing tremendous challenge really be called "too easy" if it provides the player with the tools necessary to make every last enemy easy and the player then chooses to use those tools?
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Author: joseph_valencia
Posted: January 19, 2010 (04:20 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
The appeal of SoTN can be summed up thusly:
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Author: aschultz
Posted: January 19, 2010 (04:28 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
That's a bit like flipping through a porn magazine with a blindfold on and complaining when you don't see anything worthwhile.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: January 19, 2010 (07:27 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I figured this review might garner some conversation. I am definitely going against the majority on this one.
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Author: joseph_valencia
Posted: January 19, 2010 (08:20 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
And finally, to Spaceworlder... you are correct on all counts except voice acting. I'm sorry, but the voice acting in SOTN is awful, even for a PS1 game.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: January 19, 2010 (10:04 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I... understand.
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Author: ReachBeyond
Posted: January 19, 2010 (10:42 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Jason, did you recruit Justin Boot from Thunderbolt Games to replace Zipp ? Good call, because i noticed that Zipp is a retard .
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Author: honestgamer
Posted: January 19, 2010 (11:31 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I try to stay in touch with as many talented reviewers as I can, and I'm always interested in making sure that they're able to write new content for HonestGamers if that interests them. Disco is a talented writer and has been for years. This isn't the first time he's contributed content and I have every hope that it won't be the last.
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Author: ReachBeyond
Posted: January 19, 2010 (11:54 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Uh, no.
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Author: honestgamer
Posted: January 20, 2010 (12:26 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Here's a question for you, then: what do you hope to achieve by calling Zipp a retard and an attention whore? If you hope to persuade others that his review is unfair, there are more constructive and effective ways to do so. Posting an excerpt from someone who disagrees, while not as impressive or even as relevant as you seem to believe, is at least a start.
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Author: sashanan
Posted: January 20, 2010 (07:18 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
SotN and all its successors seem to be in a constant battle to get the difficulty "just right". Excepting postgame unlockables it doesn't seem any of them has yet gotten the idea to just toss in an easy/medium/hard, perhaps because it is felt that having an RPG level up system in the first place makes that redundant. I do have to say that when I played SotN through (this was after I'd already played and finished the three GBA Castlevanias), I was neither aware of the soul sucking move nor did I find any of the really good stuff like the Crissagrim. Regardless, I got through this one easily enough.
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Author: Suskie
Posted: January 20, 2010 (08:17 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I've been putting Symphony of the Night on my "favorite games" lists forever now, until I realized it's been far too long since I've actually played it. I don't remember it being too easy, but then again I was much younger when I last played it. All of this discussion kinda makes me want to download it off XBLA, which I may do in the near future. I've since played Order of Ecclesia, which as Sash noted is hard as hell. In a good, satisfying way, though.
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Author: jiggs
Posted: January 20, 2010 (10:05 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
i love the anime cutscenes in rondo of blood.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: January 20, 2010 (10:10 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I've been putting Symphony of the Night on my "favorite games" lists forever now, until I realized it's been far too long since I've actually played it. I don't remember it being too easy, but then again I was much younger when I last played it. All of this discussion kinda makes me want to download it off XBLA, which I may do in the near future. I've since played Order of Ecclesia, which as Sash noted is hard as hell. In a good, satisfying way, though.
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Author: Suskie
Posted: January 20, 2010 (12:09 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
THEY'RE NOT CHEETOS! THEY'RE IMPOSTERS! GODDAMMIT
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: January 20, 2010 (02:12 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I feel that challenge can exist without frustration. I actually think most of the frustration in games comes from poor controls, not from challenge. If the controls are good, than the challenge will inevitably be fun.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: January 20, 2010 (05:09 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Or they could have made the platforming a bit more involved and provided more environmental challenge. They had a lot of options.
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Author: kingcrappy
Posted: January 20, 2010 (05:17 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I think people who boast about how they want their games to be more difficult, because a lack of difficulty is a turn off for them, are people who are just trying to cover up their real life insecurities. You want to look cool to a bunch of internet strangers by boasting how you beat a tough as hell game that took dozens or hundreds of hours of trying, dying, and retrying because that's the only kind of accomplishment you can achieve. That's because in real life you're a loser that sits on his ass watching Youtube and contributing nothing to society but a higher national debt through government welfare payments. So in your mind, you're self-justifying your uselessness by advertising your hardcore gamer-ness. Stupid.
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Author: True
Posted: January 20, 2010 (05:20 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
You want a real challenge? Try playing the Saturn Import version where everything is in Japanese--even your stats and equipment--so you have no idea what the items are, what they do or whether or not they improve you. Not to mention the dialogue, so you have no idea what to do next.
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