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Author: Masters (Mod)
Posted: November 12, 2009 (06:47 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Jason, I think this is the best review of yours I've ever read. The parts about how involving this game is, the verisimilitude that has been achieved, the disturbing terrorist segment--you've explored everything that is important about this game and done so with clear, effortlessly flowing prose. That I happen to agree with everything you've said isn't even the point. ^_^ Kudos.
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Author: Lewis
Posted: November 12, 2009 (07:25 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
So on No Russian, where do you - as Jason Venter, as opposed to Jason Venter in Review Mode - stand on it? Should it have been in there? How well is it done? Is it a solid aesthetic statement? Or is there more to it? Very curious...
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Author: Suskie
Posted: November 12, 2009 (07:27 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Hmm... I'm very surprised you went into such detail about No Russian, Jason, since so much of that level's effectiveness is due to its unexpectedness. That's the one thing I promised myself I wouldn't talk about in my own eventual review.
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Author: honestgamer
Posted: November 12, 2009 (11:27 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Masters: Thank you for the kind words. A lot of people felt that my review for the first Modern Warfare was one of my better ones. This game is great and I wanted to make sure that I didn't drop the ball with a hasty review, so it took me a few tries to get a review I liked this time around. After all, I didn't want simply a repeat of the approach I used last time. I'm glad that you enjoyed it.
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Author: Lewis
Posted: November 12, 2009 (12:42 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I agree it's almost a necessity to talk about it, as it's such an integral part of the game. Simon Parkin based his entire review around it, and the way the rest of the game sits around it, at Eurogamer.
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Author: Suskie
Posted: November 12, 2009 (04:30 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I must not be as in tune with the gaming community as you two are, because I haven't heard about it anywhere but here. I still completely disagree with the "necessity" of its mention here, mainly because it's so vastly different from everything else the game has you doing. I'm glad I didn't read anything about it before I played it myself.
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Author: honestgamer
Posted: November 12, 2009 (06:01 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I knew about the mission several days before I got the game, because it was discussed in-depth on Destructoid, CrispyGamer and other places that I've been known to visit on occasion. I know for a fact that it also was detailed extensively on Wired and numerous smaller sites, plus I'm sure that with those places discussing it, the matter was also brought up on Kotaku, NeoGAF, GameFAQs, IGN and so forth... pretty much anywhere gamers get together to regularly discuss games.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: November 13, 2009 (12:44 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I don't want any spoilers, so I'm going to decline from reading the review.
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Author: JANUS2
Posted: November 13, 2009 (07:03 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
The only way you can spoil No Russian is by telling people how the mission ends.
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Author: Halon
Posted: November 13, 2009 (08:57 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I was going to write a rant disagreeing with what was said about No Russian, but figured that I should play the game first to get an idea of where everything is coming from. So it will happen. Eventually.
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Author: fleinn
Posted: November 14, 2009 (11:14 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
"I realize that "involving" isn't all that precise, so I'll qualify."
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Author: honestgamer
Posted: November 14, 2009 (02:22 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I'm qualifying what I meant by "involving," not how I felt about the game. It's understood that the review is how I feel about the game, but "involving" can mean a lot of different things to different people in different instances, so I'm qualifying how I mean it in this particular case so that the word gains its proper significance in the review. I'm not sure why that would bother you or grate on your nerves. I've done nothing improper.
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Author: randxian
Posted: November 15, 2009 (06:28 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I disagree with Suskie that Jason should have perhaps skipped over the "No Russian" part. Some people may not feel comfortable about that sort of thing. Also, it gives the otherwise ignorant parents a heads up about what all is included in this game. I think giving people information about something so controversial is a good thing, even if it does spoil part of the plot.
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Author: Woodybeaver
Posted: November 16, 2009 (02:42 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Truely nice review. MW2 gets the highest scores from critics I've ever seen.
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Author: fleinn
Posted: November 16, 2009 (08:31 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
@honestgamer: no, no, I understood what you meant. ..but to me, using "qualify" in that way means either explaining technically what "involve" means, or maybe that you're going to describe an image of /how/ the game does involve you. I didn't mean at all that I couldn't see that the game engaged you. Or that the story-telling was involving. But you didn't /qualify/ what you meant with that word. You explained ways you felt the game was engaging, and what you felt when playing it.
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