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Author: zippdementia
Posted: September 21, 2009 (12:37 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Great to see a non-fan review of this. I actually think, in some ways, non-fans will like this one BETTER than fans. But I need to play more than just the demo to make sure of this.
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Author: Suskie
Posted: September 21, 2009 (12:56 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Great review Zig, although if I owned a PSP, this would be a game I'd avoid simply out of principle. I'm really sick of Final Fantasy and I think Square needs to put some of this shit to rest already. FFVII is over.
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Author: honestgamer
Posted: September 21, 2009 (01:15 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Final Fantasy VII is over when fans say it's over, because video games are an industry and an industry needs to support itself by making money. It would be a different story if games were art, the way some people wish, but when games are art they are art because that's a way the developer sees to make money. Final Fantasy VII doesn't need to be art. It needs to be a cash cow, and so it is. We can complain all we like about Square-Enix not putting the game firmly in the past, but Square-Enix is only doing what I would expect any decent business to do. I'm not sure why fans remain so passionately interested in that specific installment while ignoring the superior efforts that surrounded it, but reality is what it is.
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Author: True
Posted: September 21, 2009 (01:23 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
We can complain all we like about Square-Enix not putting the game firmly in the past, but Square-Enix is only doing what I would expect any decent business to do.
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Author: zigfried
Posted: September 21, 2009 (04:27 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I don't recall Square sueing any fans. They told fans to stop making an unauthorized sequel, which is the same thing Disney would do if you were releasing a Mickey Mouse cartoon of your own, or that Sega would do if you were releasing a Sonic game of your own, or that Capcom would do if you made a Street Fighter 2.5, etc etc... if blame is to be placed, it's to be placed on the legal precedents that force a company to defend its trademark from everyone who comes to their attention, instead of being able to selectively target true financial threats.
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Author: jerec
Posted: September 21, 2009 (06:21 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Even after reading your review, I'm still undecided on this one. But then I remember I don't need to decide, since I don't have a PSP yet. But if I get one, I might get the Dissidia bundle, since that's about the only bundle I find interesting.
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Author: True
Posted: September 21, 2009 (01:24 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Well...threatened to sue them, and had their lawyers send them a very nasty letter.
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Author: Genj
Posted: September 21, 2009 (01:47 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
NOTE: I HAVE NOT PLAYED FF7. PLEASE NO SPOILERS
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Author: honestgamer
Posted: September 21, 2009 (04:09 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Maybe it somehow escaped your notice, True, but the "sequel" that those folks were working on for ChronoTrigger looked spectacularly awful. The trailer almost made me physically ill. Square-Enix did us all a favor when it issued that cease and desist order. If a "proper" sequel ever does come, my fervent hope is that none of the people responsible for that abomination are involved in its development.
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Author: EmP (Mod)
Posted: September 21, 2009 (04:25 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
[Insert obligitory "couldn't be worse that Chrono Cross" slur here]
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Author: zigfried
Posted: September 21, 2009 (04:29 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Jerec -- if you pick up a PSP, you should absolutely get a bundle of some sort. It's just a much better value -- for the memory card alone.
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Author: joseph_valencia
Posted: September 21, 2009 (04:54 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Way to stick it to the little guy, Venter. That'll show all those foolish fans who want to make loving tributes to their favorite games. I mean, really, they had the *audacity* to develop a game on no budget and with no motivation but their own devotion to their classic RPG. Long live Squeer.
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Author: honestgamer
Posted: September 21, 2009 (05:51 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
The people that made this craptacular fan game are like a mosquito, and I guess that you could say I'm like Square-Enix. If a mosquito lands on me and prepares to bite me, I'm going to swat it. If that means I'm "sticking it to the little guy," so be it. The little guy asked for it. Sure, he feels like all he was doing was trying to share my blood and doing what he loves, but my blood is mine to give--or to keep--and if I don't feel like sharing that doesn't make me queer.
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Author: joseph_valencia
Posted: September 21, 2009 (05:58 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Yes, they'd be a mosquito...if a mosquito didn't suck blood or take anything from its host. Fan works like the one those queers at Squeersoft shut down are completely harmless to Squeer's IP rights and create no revenue for the fan-artists. It's simply a bunch of a fans having fun and trying to do something they thought other other fans would like, but we can't have that can we? No, that would be respecting your fans and giving yourself free advertising. Can't have that at all.
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Author: hmd
Posted: September 21, 2009 (07:22 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
You guys are all missing the point.
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Author: True
Posted: September 21, 2009 (07:38 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
While I will agree that it's an intellectual property and Square is entitled to reprimand anyone for using it without legal consent or permission, I just think they were...wrong in doing so.
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Author: zigfried
Posted: September 21, 2009 (08:23 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
True, what you describe above is exactly why Hatsune Miku became an internet phenomenon in Japan. The original software had a very generous license agreement, and fans ended up going hogwild by making songs, making videos to go with those songs, and creating a personality that the original designers never imagined. She's gone on to become a virtual pop idol performing live concerts in Japan... and fans are still free to use her voice (commercially!) and her likeness (non-commercially!) as they see fit. It's incredibly awesome.
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Author: hmd
Posted: September 21, 2009 (08:38 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
http://www.demon-sushi.com/warning/
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Author: zigfried
Posted: September 21, 2009 (08:53 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I've actually seen that before!
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Author: True
Posted: September 21, 2009 (08:58 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Anyways. If fans really wanted to, they could rebel by creating two-hundred simultaneous sequels and summon a tsunami of fandom that Square couldn't possibly defend against.
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Author: overdrive (Mod)
Posted: September 21, 2009 (10:19 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
1. I agree with EmP in that comparing this game to the FF VII expansions/remakes/whatever isn't really accurate, as from what I get about this game (mainly from Zig's review) is that it has major characters from all the FF games. If Cloud and Sephiroth are the two commercials focus on, that's because of the popularity of FF VII as the game that, for all intents and purposes, made RPGs "cool".
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Author: honestgamer
Posted: September 21, 2009 (11:15 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
3. Jason....I disagree with your use of the term mosquito. I agree that people shouldn't be able to randomly swipe the work of professionals (ie: this isn't the same as people making their own Doom levels with the freely-given source code for that game), but some discretion should be used by companies.
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Author: joseph_valencia
Posted: September 22, 2009 (12:04 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
The notion that someone could "mistake" a fan hack for a legit game is downright silly. First of all, ROM file names are marked to indicate if something is patched or hacked. Second, high quality fan hacks tend to have splash screens and disclaimers. Third, most of the software that's hacked is for defunct consoles like the SNES.
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Author: overdrive (Mod)
Posted: September 22, 2009 (06:21 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I guess I'd disagree with the comment that they're only "mosquitos" if the company forces them into that label. There have been instances where companies have had a legit working relationship with amateur designers.
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Author: darketernal
Posted: September 22, 2009 (07:42 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I heard the version that the remake of Chrono Trigger was actually made by Square employees to tantalize fans a bit and they just closed it down, they never did more then those teasers/sneak peaks/trailers because apparently they are tremendous douchebags. I like that explanation, I like it a lot.
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