This thread is in response to a review for Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis on the PlayStation 2. You are encouraged to view the review in a new window before reading this thread.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: July 22, 2009 (04:20 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Sweet! A review that actually makes me want to try out the game being reviewed. I think the key to your success here is that you were extremely focused. Rather than try and cover everything about the game, you choose to focus on what made YOU want to play it, and I applaud that.
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Author: psychopenguin
Posted: July 26, 2009 (11:16 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
As I mentioned before, he did not even do the alchemy system justice. It's 'better than DQ8' sure, but most alchemy systems are. You can not switch items out at will. Most items consist of 3 ingredients, and each ingredient can be substituted 0-5 times. It's complex but simple at the same time. Hey wow, I just described it in 2 sentences better than he did.
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Author: honestgamer
Posted: July 27, 2009 (12:12 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Psychopenguin: While I didn't think that this was one of true's stronger reviews, I'm not sure what prompted your vicious response to the text and to the quality control standards this site.
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Author: psychopenguin
Posted: July 27, 2009 (05:30 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Because he reviewed Atelier Iris 3 and called it a Mana Khemia review. Seriously, he didn't describe one thing in this review that didn't apply to AI3. I didn't know HG.com liked form reviews, much less felt they were the best the site had to offer that week.
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Author: EmP (Mod)
Posted: July 27, 2009 (09:34 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
'Innovative' is in the eye of the beholder. Jason will have you believe that Chrono Cross has an innovative battles system, but it doesn't. It just has a crap one.
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Author: zigfried
Posted: July 27, 2009 (09:39 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Most battle systems aren't innovative. I haven't played MK yet, but I've been switching out front- and rear-line party members for a while now in other games. If it's innovative, then there's got to be more to it than what PP described elsewhere. Otherwise it's like praising an apple for being red instead of green. It's still a damn apple!
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Author: honestgamer
Posted: July 27, 2009 (09:50 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I don't think that an RPG system has to change so much to the point that it's no longer even RPG-style (or turn-based, as some seem to be implying) to warrant the tag of "innovative." To go with zig's example (sort of)... when someone produces a new variety of apple that tastes different or has purple seeds or whatever but is still an apple, that's about as innovative as an apple should ever get. Some people will love it and some won't, but that's not really the point. It's doing something different within its inherent constraints and that is what makes it innovative.
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Author: threetimes
Posted: July 27, 2009 (10:15 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
The review didn't describe the battle system at all. That's part of the problem, so a reader can't judge whether or not it's innovative unless they've already played the game. (I have, and it is.)
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: July 27, 2009 (11:55 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
The point here was that True didn't feel the battle system was as cool as the alchemy system. The alchemy system was what he enjoyed, and what brought him into the game. Why are you criticizing him for that? He did a good job of reviewing the aspect of the game that was most interesting to him and thus would be most interesting to relate to a reader. If you're so enthralled with the battle system, then write a review instead of bitchin' at True.
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Author: zigfried
Posted: July 27, 2009 (01:51 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
The concept of innovative RPG battle systems itself is ridiculous. Even in the mid-90's every RPG had its special system:
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Author: threetimes
Posted: July 27, 2009 (02:36 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
That comment: if you don't like it, write your own review, seems misplaced. So, I'm supposed to write a review of a game I've played just to prove a point about someone else's review?
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Author: zigfried
Posted: July 27, 2009 (03:54 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Threetimes, your comments have been completely appropriate. The purpose of a feedback thread is to provide feedback without needing to write a full review.
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Author: psychopenguin
Posted: July 28, 2009 (08:55 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Did he edit this review? I don't remember there being all that Grow Book stuff in there, but at least he helps confirm part of what makes this game different from the others, and that's a start.
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Author: zigfried
Posted: July 28, 2009 (09:11 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I think I missed the "while they attack" aspect in your previous post. I've done that in another game (recently even), but I can't seem to put my finger on which one. I must admit, it was pretty cool.
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Author: psychopenguin
Posted: July 29, 2009 (01:24 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I might have not included it. I'm real good at forgetting the extra details in conversations.
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Author: True
Posted: July 29, 2009 (01:58 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Did he edit this review? I don't remember there being all that Grow Book stuff in there, but at least he helps confirm part of what makes this game different from the others, and that's a start.
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Author: sashanan
Posted: July 29, 2009 (03:13 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
There'd be no shame in it if you did though - your review, your right to adapt it whenever you feel you should.
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