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Author: zippdementia
Posted: June 27, 2009 (10:19 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
This review reads like an ice cream pizza tastes. Every individual ingredient is tasty, but you wonder if they've all been put together in proper fashion. You also worry about your cholesterol, but admittedly your review doesn't have that affect on me.
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Author: zigfried
Posted: June 27, 2009 (11:16 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Apologies to Zipp if it looks like I'm picking on him -- I'm using his feedback as a way to decide what reviews to read. (Existing feedback is usually what gets me to read a review)
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Author: radicaldreamer
Posted: June 27, 2009 (11:26 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Flow is one of the things I tend to agonize over while writing, since it is something that tends to escape me. One of the solutions I've observed is to simply talk about the game as a whole instead of talking about its constituent parts, though I don't know if such an approach can apply in all, or even most, cases. Other than that I've always just tried to read other reviews that I've been told flow well and try to emulate them (always remember NT220's Lufia).
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: June 27, 2009 (11:46 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I'm going to defend my position on this one. Or at least say that I see Zig's point, but I think the paragraphs in question still need to change. Look at this sentence for example:
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Author: Halon
Posted: June 27, 2009 (11:53 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Hmm, this is the first time I've seen a review compared to pizza and ice cream. I think.
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Author: radicaldreamer
Posted: June 27, 2009 (11:56 AM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I disagree. Voice acting at any level is worth mentioning because specific qualities have different impacts. The exception is if it is barely present, such as in the original Shadow Hearts. Consider the case of Resident Evil and its laughably bad acting. Unfortunately I can't even think of an example of a game with great voicing acting so I'll have to go immediately to the effects of voice acting: consider a game with great voice acting, with actors who actually have the talent to make emotional situations not only believable, but involving and compelling.
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Author: jerec
Posted: June 27, 2009 (04:12 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
What sportsman said. I'd like to jump into this discussion... but not yet. :P
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: June 27, 2009 (05:19 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Unfortunately I can't even think of an example of a game with great voicing acting...
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Author: radicaldreamer
Posted: June 27, 2009 (06:12 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I had trouble thinking of an example at the time. I was tempted to say Metal Gear Solid, but the voice acting in that is often held back by the series' ludicrousness. I'm sure there are many games out there with great voice acting that I just haven't played yet, especially anything on the 360 or the PS3. Though if I put some thought into it, I do recall Starcraft and Dawn of War having great voice acting.
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Author: zigfried
Posted: June 27, 2009 (07:33 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
The Riddick games have great voice acting, in the sense that I never even thought of it as voice acting. They were just characters on the screen talking to each other. That's probably why I didn't even think to mention it in the review.
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Author: True
Posted: June 27, 2009 (07:36 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Given his Av, I think Radical would agree with me here, but in my opinion Lunar is one of the best games in regards to voice-acting.
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Author: zigfried
Posted: June 27, 2009 (07:38 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I love Lunar, but I actually thought the acting in that (both episodes) was overdone. I got used to it after a while, but the first few hours bugged the hell outta me.
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Author: radicaldreamer
Posted: June 27, 2009 (07:49 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
Lunar is one of my all time favorite games but I actually think the acting is not that great -- but one of the reasons that's okay is that there really isn't that much of it because most of the game isn't acted out. Most of the story is conveyed in text, and both games succeed in that endeavor because of the quality of the writing.
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Author: zippdementia
Posted: June 27, 2009 (08:40 PM) Actions: Register for a free user account to post on the forums... |
I mean, there are cases where voice acting SHOULD be mentioned. I just don't think you make a strong enough point in your Shadow Hearts review to justify it.
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