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Author: Lewis
Posted: March 25, 2009 (04:54 PM)
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I'm not a scorewhore, as you know, but I'm surprised you went as high as an 8. You sound so utterly despondant with Resi 5, utterly bored by its existence. Almost as if you begrudgingly like it because it's a Resident Evil game, even though you weren't really having that much fun.


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Author: zippdementia
Posted: March 25, 2009 (11:44 PM)
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I talk about that a bit in my blog.

The truth is, for ME the game is probably more around a 6 or 7, but that's not REALLY an accurate scoring where the majority of gamers will be concerned.

Like I said in the review, the game isn't bad by any means. It's just utterly unexciting and unoriginal. I suppose I could've given it a 6 and gone for broke. Maybe I played it a bit safe, but I was trying to find that balance between "here's my complaints" and "just because I had these problems, doesn't mean it's a bad game."

The truth is, I think this marks the first time I've had REAL trouble with a score, and now I understand what reviewers mean when they complain about having to put a score to a game.


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Author: Suskie
Posted: March 26, 2009 (12:48 AM)
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That's a philosophy I disagree with, though. If I read a review, I want to know whether or not I'll like it, sure -- but based on your experience with the game. What's the point of even giving your own personal analysis of a game to begin with if your final verdict has you trying to gaze into other people's minds?


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Author: zigfried (Mod)
Posted: March 26, 2009 (01:59 AM)
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Trending the score upwards at the end of a negative-ish review indicates a lack of faith in the power of your position. Usually people do that because (a) they're trying to appease advertisers, or (b) they're nitpicking and know they're nitpicking. In this case, the score's a bit jarring because the observations you make are substantial and well-supported.

Based on past posts and the authoritative tone of this review (a good thing), I know that you have faith in your own position. You should have more faith in your readers to acknowledge the same issues. Guessing at what they'd rate a game, and adjusting the score, is actually kind of an insult.

The score is hardly a calamity (an 8 indicates there's room for improvement) but it does water down the review's power.

Moving on --- here's my popular opinion prediction! Even though word on the street is positive right now, I would not be surprised if popular opinion of ResE 5 goes downhill as people replay the game and lose interest. I never played part 4, I like silliness, and I am glad this game did NOT focus on the co-op action like Gears did. Because of those things, my opinion is unlikely to change... but I suspect I'm in the minority.

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Author: Lewis
Posted: March 26, 2009 (03:09 AM)
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I agree with Suskie and Zig (but also yourself, Zipp, about not liking to fix a number on the end, when you know it's what people are going to get caught up in. Why do you think I do my Not A Reviews on my blog? It's basically an excuse to write about games without the necessity of a numerical response) that it's more important to achieve consistency between copy and score than it is to appease the masses. The review really does read like something between a 5 and a 7 - and remember that 6 and 7 indicate a reasonably good game. The whole piece actually reminded me of Eurogamer's Fear 2 review. They went the other way, though, and awarded it a 5, to a predictable backlash. So maybe playing safe is good for the soul. Or your face.


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Author: Lewis
Posted: March 26, 2009 (03:17 AM)
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...All that said, it's probably my favourite Zipp review to date. So good on you.


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Author: joseph_valencia
Posted: March 26, 2009 (07:59 AM)
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All this hoopla over a number is ridiculous. All that should matter in a review are the actual words. If people want "accurate" numbers, they can go to metacritic.


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Author: Suskie
Posted: March 26, 2009 (08:09 AM)
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In a sense, I agree with that, and as has been said numerous times here, I wish we could just review without having to add an arbitrary number to the end. But, at the same time, a score can act as a finish line, a means by which to judge how well the reviewer sold his point. You could be reading this review and thinking, "Yeah, this doesn't sound like anything special." Then you see that he gave it an 8/10 and you think, "Wait, what? Is it better than I thought? What am I missing here?" It's disorienting.


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Author: Lewis
Posted: March 26, 2009 (08:23 AM)
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"If people want "accurate" numbers, they can go to metacritic."

Hehe :D


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Author: joseph_valencia
Posted: March 26, 2009 (08:31 AM)
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But, at the same time, a score can act as a finish line, a means by which to judge how well the reviewer sold his point.

I think that's more of a problem with the way a lot of game sites (not just this one) lay out reviews. A better approach would be to just have the score thrown out at the beginning in normal letters/symbols. That way, the reader can forget about it during the course of the review and simply "judge" the writer for their writing.

You could be reading this review and thinking, "Yeah, this doesn't douns like anything special." Then you see that he gave it an 8/10 and you think, "Wait, what? Is it better than I thought? What am I missing here?" It's disorienting.

I guess it depends on how you interpret numbers. To me, an 7 or 8 is "solid," and the difference between the two is highly subjective. Others might think of "solid" as a 5 or 6 and consider 7 or 8 to be "very good," or they might think there's a world of difference between a 7/10 and 8/10.

Or you can think of it this way: The review itself is a vehicle for Zipp's critiques, while the score acts as a concession to the quality of the game as a product.


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Author: Lewis
Posted: March 26, 2009 (10:08 AM)
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"I think that's more of a problem with the way a lot of game sites (not just this one) lay out reviews. A better approach would be to just have the score thrown out at the beginning in normal letters/symbols. That way, the reader can forget about it during the course of the review and simply "judge" the writer for their writing."

I worry that would encourage the Angry Internet Men to look at the score then shout about it without reading a single word.


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Author: joseph_valencia
Posted: March 26, 2009 (10:44 AM)
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Those people don't read the reviews regardless. They just scroll to the bottom for the big number. :-D


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Author: Masters (Mod)
Posted: March 26, 2009 (11:56 AM)
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I agree mostly with the sentiments expressed by this review, but the score actually serves to undermine the legitimacy of those sentiments. The review says, "uninteresting, derivative drivel" and the score finishes off with, "but it's GREAT!" If you think it deserves a 6, it should get a 6.


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Author: zippdementia
Posted: March 26, 2009 (01:06 PM)
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Like I said, this was a tough one to score. Pretty much EVERYTHING everyone has said here is correct. I know that contradicts itself, but THAT'S MY POINT. IT WAS A TOUGH ONE! On one hand, I didn't want to illegitimize my statements with a high score. On the other hand, I had to acknowledge that the product was, on the whole, well put together, and most gamers won't have a problem eating it up.

I'm very well connected to the RE gaming community, so I know the way these people think. They don't care about little details. Their main concern is "when does Wesker show up?" and "do I get to pop heads? Can I do knife runs?" They're looking at the game on a whole other level than I am.

So, knowing that, my review and my score are a compromise. The compromise is "listen to me bitch about a gameplay design flaw that makes this game really nothing special" combined with "but I acknowledge that none of you RE4 fans are probably going to care about this." Hopefully the review gets that across. I know it's a bit jarring, but that's an accurate depiction of my feelings on this game.

EDIT: By the way, thanks to everyone who's taken the time to comment on this. I'm happy to have a review that sparked some discussion.


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Author: EmP (Mod)
Posted: March 26, 2009 (01:38 PM)
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That's great and all, but you don't review other people's perspectives because you're always going to come off as second best when you try. You review, wholly and uncompromisingly, on your perspective alone. Otherwise you get a review that's discredited by all audiences.


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Author: zippdementia
Posted: March 26, 2009 (01:42 PM)
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Or in this case, loved by Lewis ^_^

I'm happy with my Lewis fan. He's much better than a smelly EMP who I have to feed at particular hours of the night.

Well, what can I say? You try things, and you learn. Overall, I'm rather happy with this one. I think everything I said is made of pure truth, and I spent four days crafting it so that it read exactly as I wanted. The score has sparked a nice little debate here that will come in handy for future endeavors.


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Author: EmP (Mod)
Posted: March 26, 2009 (01:51 PM)
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The review itself isn't the problem; it's a very good review. But you're almost irredicating every point you make by then scoring it based on what you feel someone else would get out of the game.

There's nothing wrong with being the minority voice.


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Author: zippdementia
Posted: March 26, 2009 (03:58 PM)
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Well, not much I can do about it now.


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Author: zippdementia
Posted: March 26, 2009 (04:32 PM)
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Well, after showing this around various RE forums, the score of 8 seems to have saved me from many severe flaming wars... though not all of them. I think of that 8 as my fan-armour. It protects me from raging idiots and allows me to get a few shots off at the same time.

The silliest complaint about my review so far: it's fan rage! You're just pissed that RE5 wasn't like RE1!

I don't even know what to say to that.

EDIT: to be fair, one reason I haven't requested a change in score from helpful staff is because I really DO think it is an 8/10 experience. I just wanted more out of it, and I see a lot of 9's and 10's floating about the net.


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Author: honestgamer (Mod)
Posted: March 26, 2009 (05:01 PM)
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Please remember also that the helpful staff wouldn't be able to be helpful in this case. When a review is posted as a staff or freelance review, the score should not be changed unless the change happens within a few seconds of the review being posted. Any longer than that and it shouldn't be changed because it will have made the rounds on various meta sites and so forth. When a review is posted on that level, it needs to be carefully considered before it is posted so that there are no regrets... since regrets typically can't be addressed.


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Author: zippdementia
Posted: March 26, 2009 (06:51 PM)
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And I have no regrets!


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Author: zigfried (Mod)
Posted: March 26, 2009 (06:54 PM)
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The score has sparked a nice little debate here that will come in handy for future endeavors.

I like your attitude. That should be the purpose of any discussion -- and talking these points out has helped me, too.

//Zig


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