a videogame based on the movie Inception.....who is gonna explain the story of that game to me???? :P

December 01, 2010

if the movie was so confusing just imagine how confusing the game is gonna be.....combine it with the fact that games based on movies suck, this is going to be one confusing sucky mess.......

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blood-omen - December 01, 2010 (07:37 AM)
the following is a comment i came across on the above news item....

In the Inception game you control a character who then starts playing a game controlling himself as another character in that game who then starts playing another game controlling another character who is playing a game who it turns out is controlling you!

CoarseDragon - December 01, 2010 (11:54 AM)
Apparently the game plays itself.

joseph_valencia - December 01, 2010 (12:32 PM)
I'm putting games in your games so you can game while you game.

zippdementia - December 01, 2010 (01:46 PM)
Really? You thought Inception was confusing? Thought provoking, maybe... but confusing?

If you want to see a confusing movie, watch Primer.

WilltheGreat - December 01, 2010 (03:55 PM)
The only thing I found confusing about Inception was how long it took for a Yo Dawg poster to show up on the internets.

zippdementia - December 01, 2010 (05:47 PM)
I mean, Inception doesn't explain everything, but then neither does Blade Runner, or The Shining, or The Matrix (god, I wish they had kept it that way and never made two and three...), or Cowboy Bebeop...

But as far as plot goes, Inception is very A to Z. Even the flashbacks occur in a linear fashion (ie. he literally relives them over the course of the movie rather than "flashing back").

True - December 01, 2010 (06:22 PM)
Go watch pretty much any David Lynch movie. Or Pink Floyd's "The Wall".

zippdementia - December 01, 2010 (10:44 PM)
Yeah, good point. Eraserhead is screwed.

Personally I don't count music compilations like The Wall, or The Point, or Help. They seem designed to be confusing.

Suskie - December 01, 2010 (10:52 PM)
Blood Omen, if you are so confused by the movie, you should throw some of your questions our way. Inception is one of my favorite movies and I'd be more than happy to clear up anything I can.

joseph_valencia - December 01, 2010 (11:19 PM)
I saw this Frank Sinatra crime drama from the 1960s that was pretty damn confusing. If you don't watch it from beginning to end, you'll have trouble discerning what's happening in the present and what's a flashback. It's not a good movie to watch while babysitting a kitten.

blood-omen - December 02, 2010 (09:08 AM)
@suskie.....here is the 1st question.....whats the meaning of the ending????

is he dreaming or not????

zippdementia - December 02, 2010 (01:04 PM)
Well, that's sort of the point... you're not supposed to know. It leaves that unanswered question so that you'll go home and keep thinking about the film, the story, and its themes; rather than going home thinking "Will Smith punched out all the Aliens and that's that!"

Guess what movie I'm referencing there?

This isn't a question that you're going to get a definitive answer on, but then that's the point of the film.

But lots of films do this; some people in the industry call it "the hanging ending." This particular "am I dreaming?" question was popularized by Total Recall (though I don't think it was the first film to do it... a lot of black-and-white German films have the hanging ending).

joseph_valencia - December 02, 2010 (02:00 PM)
The definitive answer straight from the horse's mouth is that Cobb wasn't dreaming. It was all real within the fictional boundaries of the movie, which is why Cobb can be away from his kids for a long time and yet they still look the way they are in the photo. Of course, because the movie itself isn't real, then it's all a dream from the audience's standpoint.

blood-omen - December 03, 2010 (07:28 AM)
@zippd but what if im not looking for an ending that makes me think long after the movie is done.....i know lots of people will argue that thats the beauty of this movie that it makes u think after the credits roll but isnt that very much like...
a friend is telling u a story, a very engrossing story and then at the very end he stops saying 'well thats what im going to tell u and now u can think up the end yourself even though that friend knows how the story should or has ended.....

or if u go to someone to ask for advice and that person says to u look your problem has 4 or 5 solutions and u can choose watever one u like......so y did i come to u for advice in the 1st place?????

if i want to have an ending of my choice, ill play a videogame that lets me make choices and the ending alters according to my choices/decisions....

ill make my own movie if i want an ending of my choosing.....why should i watch your movie.....

WilltheGreat - December 03, 2010 (01:52 PM)
@bo:

I would suggest, then, that you are not the target audience for Inception. Perhaps a summer action flick would suit you better.

zippdementia - December 03, 2010 (03:20 PM)
a friend is telling u a story, a very engrossing story and then at the very end he stops saying 'well thats what im going to tell u and now u can think up the end yourself even though that friend knows how the story should or has ended.....

Um, no. It's not at all like that. Inception has a very clear ending. If Inception just suddenly cut to black mid way through the snow scene, that would be more like your example.

You seem to be confused about what an ending is. An ending is where the character has achieved or failed to achieve growth in their character. In Inception, the point is NOT whether or not DiCaprio makes it back to his children. The point is that he's faced his past and his wife and managed to move on from her memory. Anything else is, ultimately, irrelevant.

or if u go to someone to ask for advice and that person says to u look your problem has 4 or 5 solutions and u can choose watever one u like......so y did i come to u for advice in the 1st place?????

Actually, this is what's called "going to someone for advice." The point of seeking advice is to seek other people's opinions on how something should or can be done. We don't live in a dualistic world... there is very rarely a RIGHT way to do things. Often, when seeking advice, you will get 4 or 5 solutions and you'll have to decide which is right for you.

What you were trying to say with this one again?

if i want to have an ending of my choice, ill play a videogame that lets me make choices and the ending alters according to my choices/decisions....

ill make my own movie if i want an ending of my choosing.....why should i watch your movie.....

Inception doesn't give you a choice in the ending. It's not like you and I saw two different films (in my ending DiCaprio only wears plaid). It's just that you can interpret the ending to mean different things. Again, it's really irrelevant because the true drive of the film is that DiCaprio comes to terms with his past.

The room for interpretation gets us to think critically about the things we've seen and done. Critical thinking is what makes us human; if you can't interpret something then you are no better than a well-programmed machine.

Still, there are plenty of films that just give you an hour or two's distraction from life. A few of them are even well made and enjoyable to watch. But don't criticize Inception as a confusing film because you don't like to have to think about what you're watching. That would be like me saying NBA2K10 is a confusing game because I don't understand sports.

zippdementia - December 03, 2010 (05:08 PM)
Maybe irrelevant was the wrong word. But the point of the film is definitely his growth as a character to overcoming his guilt. The false drive that precipitates this growth is his children and the quest to return to them. Not that it isn't an important part of the film, much the opposite! But just looking at the script shows that, structurally, Nolan's focus was on DiCaprio overcoming his guilt. That's why the film, when it ends, does feel complete (to most people). Because that journey has been completed.

When I said the children were irrelevant what I meant was that regardless of whether or not he is in a dream, he has been able to inwardly overcome his guilt and so it doesn't really matter. Either way, he has grown as a character and is stronger than when he began. Our time spent watching the film wasn't wasted because of this growth.

zippdementia - December 03, 2010 (05:10 PM)
To add to that, consider another direction they could have taken the ending. They could have made it clear that DiCaprio gets back to his children in reality, but chosen not to resolve his wife situation. In that case, the implication would have been that he's back with his children but there's something still looming over him and we're not sure if he'll be able to lead the life he thinks he will.

Personally, I think that's a less powerful ending and I believe most people will agree with that. And the reason lies in structure. The film is set up, not as you might think, around the children, but around the wife. The children just provide a way to motivate the character to confront his demons.

Suskie - December 04, 2010 (12:04 AM)
I want to add something to what Zipp said. Blood Omen, if you don't think the movie has closure, ask yourself this question: Does it really matter whether or not Cobb was still dreaming at the end?

It's a serious question. Would the movie have felt more complete to you if it had simply cut to the credits after Cobb reunited with his children, without the final shot of the top spinning? It's really all a matter of what you perceive Cobb's goals to be. The way I interpret the ending is that Cobb has shed his guilt and returned to his children, and whether or not it's real is beside the point, because either way, he's home. That final shot is just Nolan winking at us.

zippdementia - December 04, 2010 (03:25 AM)
Suskie has the right of it and, as usual, has managed to say it in a manner most eloquent.

I also want to add that I am not belittling your opinion of the film, Blood Omen. But I hope that maybe this conversation helps you look at it in a different way.

espiga - December 04, 2010 (03:47 AM)
I must be the only person in the world who hasn't seen Inception yet.

Perhaps I should remedy that.

JoeTheDestroyer - December 04, 2010 (04:03 AM)
No, espiga, I haven't seen it yet either. One day, though.

blood-omen - December 04, 2010 (04:20 AM)
shew.....thats just too much hard work for me when watching a movie...... :)

i like happy endings in my movies so i would like to believe that Cobb reunites with his kids in reality....

blood-omen - December 05, 2010 (02:44 AM)
i guess i agree with Ben.....i dont always have to 'get' a movie to like it......

zippdementia - December 05, 2010 (10:54 AM)
And yet you bash Inception because you didn't get it... I'm pretty much done on this topic because it's not really going anywhere, but I would recommend you see it again at some point in the future.

blood-omen - December 06, 2010 (07:36 AM)
bashing rulllllllllllllllllllllllzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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	blood-omen - December 01, 2010 (07:37 AM) the following is a comment i came across on the above news item.... In the Inception game you control a character who then starts playing a game controlling himself as another character in that game who then starts playing another game controlling another character who is playing a game who it turns out is controlling you!
	CoarseDragon - December 01, 2010 (11:54 AM) Apparently the game plays itself.
	joseph_valencia - December 01, 2010 (12:32 PM) I'm putting games in your games so you can game while you game.
	zippdementia - December 01, 2010 (01:46 PM) Really? You thought Inception was confusing? Thought provoking, maybe... but confusing? If you want to see a confusing movie, watch Primer.
	WilltheGreat - December 01, 2010 (03:55 PM) The only thing I found confusing about Inception was how long it took for a Yo Dawg poster to show up on the internets.
	zippdementia - December 01, 2010 (05:47 PM) I mean, Inception doesn't explain everything, but then neither does Blade Runner, or The Shining, or The Matrix (god, I wish they had kept it that way and never made two and three...), or Cowboy Bebeop... But as far as plot goes, Inception is very A to Z. Even the flashbacks occur in a linear fashion (ie. he literally relives them over the course of the movie rather than "flashing back").
	True - December 01, 2010 (06:22 PM) Go watch pretty much any David Lynch movie. Or Pink Floyd's "The Wall".
	zippdementia - December 01, 2010 (10:44 PM) Yeah, good point. Eraserhead is screwed. Personally I don't count music compilations like The Wall, or The Point, or Help. They seem designed to be confusing.
	Suskie - December 01, 2010 (10:52 PM) Blood Omen, if you are so confused by the movie, you should throw some of your questions our way. Inception is one of my favorite movies and I'd be more than happy to clear up anything I can.
	joseph_valencia - December 01, 2010 (11:19 PM) I saw this Frank Sinatra crime drama from the 1960s that was pretty damn confusing. If you don't watch it from beginning to end, you'll have trouble discerning what's happening in the present and what's a flashback. It's not a good movie to watch while babysitting a kitten.
	blood-omen - December 02, 2010 (09:08 AM) @suskie.....here is the 1st question.....whats the meaning of the ending???? is he dreaming or not????
	zippdementia - December 02, 2010 (01:04 PM) Well, that's sort of the point... you're not supposed to know. It leaves that unanswered question so that you'll go home and keep thinking about the film, the story, and its themes; rather than going home thinking "Will Smith punched out all the Aliens and that's that!" Guess what movie I'm referencing there? This isn't a question that you're going to get a definitive answer on, but then that's the point of the film. But lots of films do this; some people in the industry call it "the hanging ending." This particular "am I dreaming?" question was popularized by Total Recall (though I don't think it was the first film to do it... a lot of black-and-white German films have the hanging ending).
	joseph_valencia - December 02, 2010 (02:00 PM) The definitive answer straight from the horse's mouth is that Cobb wasn't dreaming. It was all real within the fictional boundaries of the movie, which is why Cobb can be away from his kids for a long time and yet they still look the way they are in the photo. Of course, because the movie itself isn't real, then it's all a dream from the audience's standpoint.
	blood-omen - December 03, 2010 (07:28 AM) @zippd but what if im not looking for an ending that makes me think long after the movie is done.....i know lots of people will argue that thats the beauty of this movie that it makes u think after the credits roll but isnt that very much like... a friend is telling u a story, a very engrossing story and then at the very end he stops saying 'well thats what im going to tell u and now u can think up the end yourself even though that friend knows how the story should or has ended..... or if u go to someone to ask for advice and that person says to u look your problem has 4 or 5 solutions and u can choose watever one u like......so y did i come to u for advice in the 1st place????? if i want to have an ending of my choice, ill play a videogame that lets me make choices and the ending alters according to my choices/decisions.... ill make my own movie if i want an ending of my choosing.....why should i watch your movie.....
	WilltheGreat - December 03, 2010 (01:52 PM) @bo: I would suggest, then, that you are not the target audience for Inception. Perhaps a summer action flick would suit you better.
	zippdementia - December 03, 2010 (03:20 PM) a friend is telling u a story, a very engrossing story and then at the very end he stops saying 'well thats what im going to tell u and now u can think up the end yourself even though that friend knows how the story should or has ended..... Um, no. It's not at all like that. Inception has a very clear ending. If Inception just suddenly cut to black mid way through the snow scene, that would be more like your example. You seem to be confused about what an ending is. An ending is where the character has achieved or failed to achieve growth in their character. In Inception, the point is NOT whether or not DiCaprio makes it back to his children. The point is that he's faced his past and his wife and managed to move on from her memory. Anything else is, ultimately, irrelevant. or if u go to someone to ask for advice and that person says to u look your problem has 4 or 5 solutions and u can choose watever one u like......so y did i come to u for advice in the 1st place????? Actually, this is what's called "going to someone for advice." The point of seeking advice is to seek other people's opinions on how something should or can be done. We don't live in a dualistic world... there is very rarely a RIGHT way to do things. Often, when seeking advice, you will get 4 or 5 solutions and you'll have to decide which is right for you. What you were trying to say with this one again? if i want to have an ending of my choice, ill play a videogame that lets me make choices and the ending alters according to my choices/decisions.... ill make my own movie if i want an ending of my choosing.....why should i watch your movie..... Inception doesn't give you a choice in the ending. It's not like you and I saw two different films (in my ending DiCaprio only wears plaid). It's just that you can interpret the ending to mean different things. Again, it's really irrelevant because the true drive of the film is that DiCaprio comes to terms with his past. The room for interpretation gets us to think critically about the things we've seen and done. Critical thinking is what makes us human; if you can't interpret something then you are no better than a well-programmed machine. Still, there are plenty of films that just give you an hour or two's distraction from life. A few of them are even well made and enjoyable to watch. But don't criticize Inception as a confusing film because you don't like to have to think about what you're watching. That would be like me saying NBA2K10 is a confusing game because I don't understand sports.
	zippdementia - December 03, 2010 (05:08 PM) Maybe irrelevant was the wrong word. But the point of the film is definitely his growth as a character to overcoming his guilt. The false drive that precipitates this growth is his children and the quest to return to them. Not that it isn't an important part of the film, much the opposite! But just looking at the script shows that, structurally, Nolan's focus was on DiCaprio overcoming his guilt. That's why the film, when it ends, does feel complete (to most people). Because that journey has been completed. When I said the children were irrelevant what I meant was that regardless of whether or not he is in a dream, he has been able to inwardly overcome his guilt and so it doesn't really matter. Either way, he has grown as a character and is stronger than when he began. Our time spent watching the film wasn't wasted because of this growth.
	zippdementia - December 03, 2010 (05:10 PM) To add to that, consider another direction they could have taken the ending. They could have made it clear that DiCaprio gets back to his children in reality, but chosen not to resolve his wife situation. In that case, the implication would have been that he's back with his children but there's something still looming over him and we're not sure if he'll be able to lead the life he thinks he will. Personally, I think that's a less powerful ending and I believe most people will agree with that. And the reason lies in structure. The film is set up, not as you might think, around the children, but around the wife. The children just provide a way to motivate the character to confront his demons.
	Suskie - December 04, 2010 (12:04 AM) I want to add something to what Zipp said. Blood Omen, if you don't think the movie has closure, ask yourself this question: Does it really matter whether or not Cobb was still dreaming at the end? It's a serious question. Would the movie have felt more complete to you if it had simply cut to the credits after Cobb reunited with his children, without the final shot of the top spinning? It's really all a matter of what you perceive Cobb's goals to be. The way I interpret the ending is that Cobb has shed his guilt and returned to his children, and whether or not it's real is beside the point, because either way, he's home. That final shot is just Nolan winking at us.
	zippdementia - December 04, 2010 (03:25 AM) Suskie has the right of it and, as usual, has managed to say it in a manner most eloquent. I also want to add that I am not belittling your opinion of the film, Blood Omen. But I hope that maybe this conversation helps you look at it in a different way.
	espiga - December 04, 2010 (03:47 AM) I must be the only person in the world who hasn't seen Inception yet. Perhaps I should remedy that.
	JoeTheDestroyer - December 04, 2010 (04:03 AM) No, espiga, I haven't seen it yet either. One day, though.
	blood-omen - December 04, 2010 (04:20 AM) shew.....thats just too much hard work for me when watching a movie...... :) i like happy endings in my movies so i would like to believe that Cobb reunites with his kids in reality....
	blood-omen - December 05, 2010 (02:44 AM) i guess i agree with Ben.....i dont always have to 'get' a movie to like it......
	zippdementia - December 05, 2010 (10:54 AM) And yet you bash Inception because you didn't get it... I'm pretty much done on this topic because it's not really going anywhere, but I would recommend you see it again at some point in the future.
	blood-omen - December 06, 2010 (07:36 AM) bashing rulllllllllllllllllllllllzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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