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Title: Is the Wii worth buying?
Posted: July 07, 2011 (03:15 PM)
I was thinking of getting a PS3 sometime this year, but after replaying Twilight Princess, I feel like maybe a Wii might be a better purchase for Skyward Sword. Honestly both consoles don't have a huge line up I'm interested in. For the PS3 I primarily want Demon's Souls (which for all I know may be considered "obsolete" when Dark Souls comes out) and Yakuza 3 & 4, while the Wii only really has Zelda & No More Heroes 1 & 2 to make me want the console. Of course both consoles have other games I'd play too but nothing to really make me want to sacrifice $150-300 that I could spend on 360 titles.

With the Wii I have predominately 3 concerns:

-Will Zelda even come out this year? Miyamoto said it's finished, but I find it disheartening that the game doesn't have a set release date yet and the Wii U isn't too far away. I can't help but feel like there could be sudden delay in Fall to push it to Wii U's launch considering what happened with Twilight Princess.

-Not HD. I've heard the Wii U will upscale Wii games. If that's the case, perhaps it'd be best to wait. On the other hand, the Wii U sounds like it's going to retail for more than a PS3.

-Little on the way. It's sounds doubtful that Xenoblade, The Last Story or Pandora's Tower will be released in America. So basically after Zelda and going through the relatively small core game backlog for the Wii, I'm going to have something that will get very little use.

Anyone who wants to throw in their thoughts is welcome to. I probably won't be picking up a new console for some time while I save up money from working.
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S-CynicUser: S-Cynic
Title: Re: Is the Wii worth buying?
Posted: July 07, 2011 (03:19 PM)
Well, it does have New Super Mario Bros. Wii, for what that's worth.
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honestgamerUser: honestgamer
Title: Re: Is the Wii worth buying?
Posted: July 07, 2011 (03:34 PM)
-Will Zelda even come out this year? Miyamoto said it's finished, but I find it disheartening that the game doesn't have a set release date yet and the Wii U isn't too far away. I can't help but feel like there could be sudden delay in Fall to push it to Wii U's launch considering what happened with Twilight Princess.

Nintendo has set up Zelda as a definite release for this year. It's going to come in time for the holiday season and Nintendo has said specifically that it's not being delayed for release as a Wii U title. That was a different situation that you saw with Twilight Princess, I think, because Wii is really just a GameCube with around half again the power and that doesn't actually translate to a huge graphical improvement. The port from GameCube to Wii was a cinch because they just made everything sharper and mirrored it and provided a widescreen ratio. It's not really the same situation at all.

-Not HD. I've heard the Wii U will upscale Wii games. If that's the case, perhaps it'd be best to wait. On the other hand, the Wii U sounds like it's going to retail for more than a PS3.

From what I heard, Wii U will not upscale Wii games. I believe that's direct from Nintendo. There's already a PC emulator that does that and apparently does it beautifully, but Nintendo isn't looking to put such a thing in the Wii U hardware. That could change, though. By the time the Wii U comes out, there's no doubt that it will cost more than whatever the PS3 costs at that point. Wii U probably won't come out for another year, maybe even more like another 15 months. PS3 is likely to see a price drop very soon. I have a hard time imagining Wii U coming out at less than $300.

-Little on the way. It's sounds doubtful that Xenoblade, The Last Story or Pandora's Tower will be released in America. So basically after Zelda and going through the relatively small core game backlog for the Wii, I'm going to have something that will get very little use.

The core game backlog for Wii isn't nearly as small as most people suggest. It has more core games than most people will ever buy or even hear about, and many of them are--graphics aside--of extremely high quality. They're not well-advertised, though, so you have to know what you want and go looking for it. I appreciate that most people don't have the time to do that or the love for the system that I do, but that doesn't change the number of core games that do exist. I own most--but not all--of them, so a good starting point would be looking at my collection in my blog and seeing what looks like it might interest you.

With that said, I do believe Wii has no more than one final hurrah left in it. Nintendo has a new game I want coming out every month for several months, but that won't take us all the way to Wii U's launch. I remain hopeful for the chance that we'll see Xenoblade, The Last Story and Pandora's Tower, but I agree that odds are slim compared to what they should be. Those all look like great games. I also want the new Kirby, which looks like a blast, and I do want Mario Party 9 and the other board game title. When I've purchased my last Wii title, I'll likely have a library of around 100 games and to me that means it's a system worth owning. It's around as many as I'll have for my PS3 at the same point, and a lot more than I will have for my Xbox 360.
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GenjUser: Genj
Title: Re: Is the Wii worth buying?
Posted: July 07, 2011 (05:04 PM)
Jason, I know Nintendo has said Zelda will definitely be out this Holiday 2011, but I can't get rid of that nagging feeling it'll get delayed mainly because they haven't set a specific calendar date yet. I think you're right that at least this time it's less likely to be delayed for a Wii U port specifically because it would be harder to pull off a legitimately worthwhile port and because the game specifically was designed with the Wii Motion Plus controller. I must have missed that the Wii U won't upscale. If that's the case, then it sounds like the Wii is worth owning (especially now that I see the Wii U won't play GameCube games).


I can understand, Venter, that there are lot of Wii games you've enjoyed, but for me it's a relatively small list of games I'd buy for the console (a very liberal list of 18 games - a lot of them would be very low priority in buying). It's pretty much the same deal (maybe even for fewer games) on the PS3 since I'd be buying it for exclusives alone. So I'll probably definitely get a Wii eventually. I guess it comes down to whether I want to play Zelda immediately or if I can just wait.
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honestgamerUser: honestgamer
Title: Re: Is the Wii worth buying?
Posted: July 07, 2011 (05:34 PM)
In other news, it's good to see you posting. Never leave us again!
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goatx3User: goatx3
Title: Re: Is the Wii worth buying?
Posted: July 07, 2011 (08:04 PM)
i'm still really, really close to jumping on the Wii train. mehhhh. ehhhhhh. one day soon.
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MastersUser: Masters
Title: Re: Is the Wii worth buying?
Posted: July 07, 2011 (09:07 PM)
Hmm! That depends. Are you 8? :P
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zippdementiaUser: zippdementia
Title: Re: Is the Wii worth buying?
Posted: July 08, 2011 (10:06 AM)
One really good question to ask yourself, genj, is which back catalog interests you more. Both the PS3 and the Wii have done a good job at making their classic games available and both system's "previously-Japan-only" section" (here I do have to say the PS catalog is larger) is pretty cool.

So... does having access to Turbografix, SNES, and N64 interest you or would you rather have the PS1's catalog? I wish they would start moving onto PS2 or recreate their earlier backwards compatability, that remains a strike against the PS3.

Another question is whether or not you're interested in having a BluRay player. I like having it, myself, but if you're not interested, then that's about 100-200 dollars of the PS3 price tag that's worthless to you. Both do instant netflix, but the Wii's lack of a DVD player of any kind has also occasional rankled on owners.

I'm not arguing one way or the other, but I hope some of these questions help you out. I use my PS3 for gaming more than I use the Wii for it, if you wanted my personal experience. The Wii sits at my parent's house and they use it to watch netflix.
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joseph_valenciaUser: joseph_valencia
Title: Re: Is the Wii worth buying?
Posted: July 08, 2011 (02:27 PM)
I think Sony will introduce PS2 Classics sometime during the Vita's run. Still waiting for Nintendo to unify the Virtual Console catalog across their home and portable platforms. Given Nintendo's poor track record with adopting digital distribution strategies, it probably won't happen for a while.
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zippdementiaUser: zippdementia
Title: Re: Is the Wii worth buying?
Posted: July 11, 2011 (01:13 AM)
Yeah, if the PS2 thing ever gets locked down, then there's no contest. While the SNES was an incredible system, I think the PS2 might have had the greatest catalog of any console system ever. That's my opinion, but I know it's one that is shared by many.
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fleinnUser: fleinn
Title: Re: Is the Wii worth buying?
Posted: July 12, 2011 (03:26 PM)
Yeah.. that will be the only way I can ever see myself buying an NGP. If it can run Ps2 titles, or we get all of them for cheap to download on the ps3/ngp, like the psp with ps1 titles..

I'll say this for picking up a Wii, though. I've managed to get people (17-25) to play ps3 games like.. Shatter(also for PC on steam), or Pixeljunk Shooter, flOw, Flower, Riff, that kind of thing. But didn't manage to get them involved in Wii Sports or Warioware.

That was kind of surprising to me. I mean.. I'm a tech-junkie. If I smell a dynamic mesh, or a texture generated in run-time, or some limited ray-tracing, etc, I could excuse anything. But it turns out that some of the games on the ps3 (that no one plays :p) really were easy to pick up for "non gamers", in spite of being complex and floating in many ways. Heard a lot about that at launch, right..? That the complex controls, or that so many things happened on the screen should make the games a bit less children-friendly, and things of that sort. That's.. not entirely true. So at least taking a look at those games is an idea.

I wish I could also say that the ps3 has two of the best multiplayer games made this generation (i.e., MAG and KZ2). But those have been patched apart and lag too much to be enjoyable.. MAG can be played if you spend some time finding a game with people who don't lag too much.. you know.. can't recommend that to anyone unless you are a diehard hardcore gamer..

On the other hand.. Journey.. played the beta today.. holy crap. Awesome games like that is why the ps3 will be remembered fondly in the future, in spite of everything. The Last Guardian turns up eventually. SotC/ico collection later in the autumn.

Other than that it's WipeoutHD, GT5.. lots of very strong titles that represent something unique technologically and in terms of gameplay. So if you're looking for something genuinely unique and interesting, then there are games like that on the ps3 right now.

Down the line you could go for 3d (specially the games with actual realtime 3d generated contexts, rather than just overlays generated at a new angle for the effects).. maybe you've read my Tumble/move review.. there are a few gems here that are.. you know.. new games that do new things in relatively untraditional ways.

So.. just shame about how abysmally horrible all the patching and the online and the community stuff ends up being in the end. This is something that makes you have to go look for exceptions, rather than be certain you can buy something and have a great time. You go and get something that's advertised to death -- and the game sucks. You pick up something for /free/ on the store, and it's all kinds of awesome.. that kind of thing. And this is a real problem with Sony and the ps3 - that Nintendo, for example, doesn't truly have, imo. That you're more or less certain that you can't buy something that's going to make you regret purchasing the box in the first place. Like Jason says, it's got a lot of stuff you can do, and a bunch of emulated titles, etc.
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zippdementiaUser: zippdementia
Title: Re: Is the Wii worth buying?
Posted: July 13, 2011 (10:24 PM)
Tell me more about Journey, Fleinn.
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fleinnUser: fleinn
Title: Re: Is the Wii worth buying?
Posted: July 14, 2011 (12:50 AM)
I will not. I just dropped it in there, so you could all stand around and silently worship me.

..no, I.. they made me agree to this extremely general nda. I guess I can tell you that it's very expressive - without being completely abstract, like flOw and Flower. It's warm winds blowing, and the sea of sand, and so on. .. I don't know. If you've ever been to les Dunes in Bordeux, or something like that. It has that strange way of overwhelming you with.. not loneliness or fellowship, as such.. just presence, really, when you walk there. Large amounts of sand just sounds and feels in a particular way.

And it has to do with a lot of subtle things, such as how the wind is almost not present, but just felt. Or how the sand flows, even if it doesn't actually run. And about the distance, and how it changes everything if your mind wanders for just a moment. Lots and lots of things like this that would seem impossible to make "good enough" in a video-game. So another deceptively ambitious title from ThatGameCompany, no doubt about that.

And the online part is, as advertised, without any matchmaking, psn-ids, lag or other kinds of things that would identify it as being an "online game". So yes. This is interesting. Stayed up until 3am on Tuesday just to get the opportunity to see how it works. :D

Should be well on it's way to the release some time in autumn..? Hope it's soon. (And that it can somehow escape the "but let's make it more like COD" folks as well.. seriously, I swear to god if there's a gun, popups, or trophy popups in there by the time the title ships, I'm going to snap. "DESERT UBER FREMEN POWER!!!" or something.. bound to happen, though..).
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threetimesUser: threetimes
Title: Re: Is the Wii worth buying?
Posted: July 14, 2011 (07:05 AM)
I saw that interview with Jenova Chan about Journey and having loved Flower I can't wait for this one. Actually I wish I had it now, those empty deserts and swirling sands look like places to get lost in.

At least with the Wii you have access to a huge range of Virtual Console games. I am tempted to get one if just for that.
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zippdementiaUser: zippdementia
Title: Re: Is the Wii worth buying?
Posted: July 14, 2011 (02:30 PM)
Perfect! It will come out when I actually have time to play it. Thanks for sharing Fleinn. I've fallen out of the video game loop and I would've hated to miss this one. Some companies- I'll still pick up whatever they produce. The makers of Ico and Thatgamecompany are those two companies.
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